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Who has the higher ceiling? Who has the better chance for the claim of "best shooting guard" in the league when they reach their prime?

Green is the more pliable smooth operator with a quicker release smooth jumper and has a deeper bag.


Edwards is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than Green which is pretty much is primary advantage.

Difficult choice honestly.

I don't think either has best sg in the league type ceiling.

They're both volume scorers which are a dime a dozen.

Jalen seems like a better overall scorer (tighter handle / projects to be a better shot creator imo).

jasonxxx102 wrote:I don't think either has best sg in the league type ceiling.

They're both volume scorers which are a dime a dozen.

Jalen seems like a better overall scorer (tighter handle / projects to be a better shot creator imo).

Wut? Who exactly in this league than has that ceiling? You think these two guys can't surpass the likes of Booker, Lavine Beal etc?

If you think guys like Green and Ant are a dime in a dozen then yikes.

Farhan0311 wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:I don't think either has best sg in the league type ceiling.

They're both volume scorers which are a dime a dozen.

Jalen seems like a better overall scorer (tighter handle / projects to be a better shot creator imo).

Wut? Who exactly in this league than has that ceiling? You think these two guys can't surpass the likes of Booker, Lavine Beal etc?

If you think guys like Green and Ant are a dime in a dozen then yikes.

A couple are drafted every year or every other year so yes, compared to other skillsets volume scorer is a dime a dozen.

I don't see anything that separates Ant or Green from any of those 3. You forgot Mitchell and McCollum too.

I can go back and find plenty of volume scoring guards in the last 10 drafts.

jasonxxx102 wrote:

Farhan0311 wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:I don't think either has best sg in the league type ceiling.

They're both volume scorers which are a dime a dozen.

Jalen seems like a better overall scorer (tighter handle / projects to be a better shot creator imo).

Wut? Who exactly in this league than has that ceiling? You think these two guys can't surpass the likes of Booker, Lavine Beal etc?

If you think guys like Green and Ant are a dime in a dozen then yikes.

A couple are drafted every year or every other year so yes, compared to other skillsets volume scorer is a dime a dozen.

I don't see anything that separates Ant or Green from any of those 3. You forgot Mitchell and McCollum too.

I can go back and find plenty of volume scoring guards in the last 10 drafts.

Every young potential superstar is a "volume scorer" because it's extremely rare for a 19 year old rookie guard to be above league average efficiency. Luka was a "volume scorer" his first few years in the league as he was inefficient.

Just for reference

Jalen Green his rookie year is averaging 17 ppg on nearly 55% ts during his 19 year old season.

CJ McCollum joined the league 3 years older than Green and averaged 6 ppg on worse efficiency

Zack Lavine joined the league around the same age as Green but his rookie season but averaged 10 ppg on 51% ts. So significantly less ppg and significantly worse efficiency

Bradley Beal also joined at 19. His rookie season he averages 15 ppg on 51% ts.

Mitchell is the only one who has had the success of Green and Ant their rookie year in terms of scoring output and efficiency but he also joined the league two years older than Ant and Green.

To answer your question if why they are better prospects and have higher ceilings than all those players listed is due to their sheer athleticism and length combo. Lavine probably has similar length and athleticsm to Green but Green has the deeper bag his rookie year compared to Lavine.

Ant and Green definitely have higher ceilings than any current sg in the league now.

Farhan0311 wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:

Farhan0311 wrote:
Wut? Who exactly in this league than has that ceiling? You think these two guys can't surpass the likes of Booker, Lavine Beal etc?

If you think guys like Green and Ant are a dime in a dozen then yikes.

A couple are drafted every year or every other year so yes, compared to other skillsets volume scorer is a dime a dozen.

I don't see anything that separates Ant or Green from any of those 3. You forgot Mitchell and McCollum too.

I can go back and find plenty of volume scoring guards in the last 10 drafts.

Every young potential superstar is a "volume scorer" because it's extremely rare for a 19 year old rookie guard to be above league average efficiency. Luka was a "volume scorer" his first few years in the league as he was inefficient.

Just for reference

Jalen Green his rookie year is averaging 17 ppg on nearly 55% ts during his 19 year old season.

CJ McCollum joined the league 3 years older than Green and averaged 6 ppg on worse efficiency

Zack Lavine joined the league around the same age as Green but his rookie season but averaged 10 ppg on 51% ts. So significantly less ppg and significantly worse efficiency

Bradley Beal also joined at 19. His rookie season he averages 15 ppg on 51% ts.

Mitchell is the only one who has had the success of Green and Ant their rookie year in terms of scoring output and efficiency but he also joined the league two years older than Ant and Green.

To answer your question if why they are better prospects and have higher ceilings than all those players listed is due to their sheer athleticism and length combo. Lavine probably has similar length and athleticsm to Green but Green has the deeper bag his rookie year compared to Lavine.

Ant and Green definitely have higher ceilings than any current sg in the league now.

Gonna go ahead and stop you right here. This is just flat out wrong. Jalen is pretty far below league average in every efficiency metric besides handoffs (where he's amazingly efficient). Even if you only look at TS% he's slightly below league average.

jasonxxx102 wrote:

Farhan0311 wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:
A couple are drafted every year or every other year so yes, compared to other skillsets volume scorer is a dime a dozen.

I don't see anything that separates Ant or Green from any of those 3. You forgot Mitchell and McCollum too.

I can go back and find plenty of volume scoring guards in the last 10 drafts.

Every young potential superstar is a "volume scorer" because it's extremely rare for a 19 year old rookie guard to be above league average efficiency. Luka was a "volume scorer" his first few years in the league as he was inefficient.

Just for reference

Jalen Green his rookie year is averaging 17 ppg on nearly 55% ts during his 19 year old season.

CJ McCollum joined the league 3 years older than Green and averaged 6 ppg on worse efficiency

Zack Lavine joined the league around the same age as Green but his rookie season but averaged 10 ppg on 51% ts. So significantly less ppg and significantly worse efficiency

Bradley Beal also joined at 19. His rookie season he averages 15 ppg on 51% ts.

Mitchell is the only one who has had the success of Green and Ant their rookie year in terms of scoring output and efficiency but he also joined the league two years older than Ant and Green.

To answer your question if why they are better prospects and have higher ceilings than all those players listed is due to their sheer athleticism and length combo. Lavine probably has similar length and athleticsm to Green but Green has the deeper bag his rookie year compared to Lavine.

Ant and Green definitely have higher ceilings than any current sg in the league now.

Gonna go ahead and stop you right here. This is just flat out wrong. Jalen is pretty far below league average in every efficiency metric besides handoffs (where he's amazingly efficient). Even if you only look at TS% he's slightly below league average.

I didn't say he was above average efficiency. I said any rookie guard especially under 20 is going to below league average efficiency. Though Green in the past 20 months on a bear 30 game sample size is averaging 20+ ppg on near 60% ts which is near elite level scoring for a 20 years old rookie guard.

And the entire point of my post was to compare his rookie season to the current cream of the crop sgs in the league and it's evident that Green and Ant have the highest ceiling from that alone. Again, the only current top sg that matched or exceeded Green and Ant's rookie scoring and efficiency output is Mitchell and he joined the league at 21 unlike Green and Ant at 19.

jasonxxx102 wrote:I don't think either has best sg in the league type ceiling.

They're both volume scorers which are a dime a dozen.

Jalen seems like a better overall scorer (tighter handle / projects to be a better shot creator imo).

All the best Sgs now are basically volume scorers. It's not like there's a Mj, Kobe, Wade or even Harden level player they have to pass

Booker, Mitchell, Lavine, Poole, Cj, Bane, Murray, Trent..... That's their competition they could def reach a higher ceiling than them

I'll go Jalen Green because of just how special his handle looks at times, along with 1 of the best first steps in the league and also because (from the limited interviews I have seen), seems to have more passion for his craft than Edwards.

ah finally a jalen green thread!

one of the things that made me excited about jalen green was that in an interview he gave while in the g-league, he talked about how much he wants to prove people who think he's just a scorer wrong. that he really wants to show that he can be a good playmaker and defender.

his scoring ability is bonkers and now that the vets are sitting out, we're seeing more of that potential. the insane first step & general athleticism sets a high floor and he's also a good shooter ofc.

he also doesn't need to dominate the ball to put up points IMO - he is good at scoring in the flow of the offense, similar to a guy like booker.

i think he'll take a step up once he puts on some more mass. he's obviously small right now and that'll affect his ability to finish thru contact & play good defense. his defense has improved recently though (he was REALLY bad at the start of the season) and given his length & desire to be a good defender, i think he has potential to at least be okay at that end and not a liability. remember how poor booker used to be defensively?

the stats dont bear it out thus far but i believe in his ability to be a sufficient secondary playmaker as well. he has the handles and has shown flashes of the vision necessary

if i had to pick a player i'd go with anthony edwards because we've seen his second season and he's taken a leap so i think it'd be unreasonable for me to not take him. jalen green, while im sure he'll also take a leap, is more of a question mark. however, i do think jalen green's ceiling is higher