Would the Clippers have won the title in 2021 if not for the Kawhi injury?

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Would Clippers with healthy Kawhi have won in 2021?

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Would the Clippers have won the title in 2021 if not for the Kawhi injury? 

Post#1 » by No-more-rings » Wed Apr 6, 2022 2:40 pm

I think there's good reason to think they'd run over the Suns, considering they took it to 6 without him. Then how would Bucks vs Clippers have looked?
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Post#2 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Apr 6, 2022 2:47 pm

They easily get past the Suns with Kawhi playing, but the Finals would have been way too evenly matched to say for sure who would have won. Giannis was incredible.
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Post#3 » by parsnips33 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 3:43 pm

I don't think it's a sure bet, but they would've had a very good shot
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Post#4 » by The High Cyde » Wed Apr 6, 2022 6:11 pm

I’m not sure we beat Milwaukee, Giannis was a man possessed that run. Plus Doc was a huge liability. You just can’t trust his rotations in the playoffs.
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Post#5 » by Im Your Father » Wed Apr 6, 2022 6:16 pm

The High Cyde wrote:I’m not sure we beat Milwaukee, Giannis was a man possessed that run. Plus Doc was a huge liability. You just can’t trust his rotations in the playoffs.


Wasn't Lue already the coach in 2021?
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Post#6 » by Colbinii » Wed Apr 6, 2022 6:16 pm

The High Cyde wrote:I’m not sure we beat Milwaukee, Giannis was a man possessed that run. Plus Doc was a huge liability. You just can’t trust his rotations in the playoffs.


Doc wasnt the coach in 2021.
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Post#7 » by The High Cyde » Wed Apr 6, 2022 6:36 pm

Colbinii wrote:
The High Cyde wrote:I’m not sure we beat Milwaukee, Giannis was a man possessed that run. Plus Doc was a huge liability. You just can’t trust his rotations in the playoffs.


Doc wasnt the coach in 2021.


Im Your Father wrote:
The High Cyde wrote:I’m not sure we beat Milwaukee, Giannis was a man possessed that run. Plus Doc was a huge liability. You just can’t trust his rotations in the playoffs.


Wasn't Lue already the coach in 2021?


Apologies, yes you’re both correct, my mistake.

Hmm then I think we have a very good chance of winning.

Kawhi was having his best postseason start since he took out Memphis is Round 1 when he was on the Spurs and he was no slouch in round 2. He’d already seen Giannis and Bud’s playbook a couple years before and I think he gives LA a slight mental edge of having beaten Giannis before.

Giannis has proven he can come back and decimate teams next year though, so he’d still be a monster. It’d be a very tense, physical series.
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Post#8 » by No-more-rings » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:22 pm

The High Cyde wrote:I’m not sure we beat Milwaukee, Giannis was a man possessed that run. Plus Doc was a huge liability. You just can’t trust his rotations in the playoffs.

Kawhi was also a man possessed. 30.4/7.7/4.4 67.9 ts%(!) 30.6 PER 10.7 BPM before going down. He was looking like the best playoff performer that year.

The Doc failure stuff is exaggerated. Most if not all his playoff losses came against better teams.
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Post#9 » by falcolombardi » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:10 pm

is possible but hardly guaranteed

remember the only season we got healthy clippers they lost against the underdog nuggets

that the next season they overperformed without kawhi doesnt automatically mean they would have been unbeatable with him
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Post#10 » by Proxy » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:54 pm

I had Nets over Clippers in 6 as my pre-playoffs finals prediction, I think they win the west and beat Milwaukee in a finals series .
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Post#11 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:02 pm

falcolombardi wrote:is possible but hardly guaranteed

remember the only season we got healthy clippers they lost against the underdog nuggets

that the next season they overperformed without kawhi doesnt automatically mean they would have been unbeatable with him


Yup, to put it another if the 1994 Nuggets could beat the 1994 Sonics in a series people should recognize no one is guaranteed victory under the small sample of the post-season
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Post#12 » by eminence » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:07 pm

Would the Clippers have beat the Jazz without the Conley injury?
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Post#13 » by No-more-rings » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:42 pm

eminence wrote:Would the Clippers have beat the Jazz without the Conley injury?

They won the last 2 without Kawhi, and won their 4 games by an average of 15 points. Don’t think Conley makes up that kind of gap.
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Post#14 » by eminence » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:12 am

No-more-rings wrote:
eminence wrote:Would the Clippers have beat the Jazz without the Conley injury?

They won the last 2 without Kawhi, and won their 4 games by an average of 15 points. Don’t think Conley makes up that kind of gap.


I think the Clippers certainly should be favored in the hypothetical (vs the Jazz).

But the point was more about pointing to the silliness of this idea taken from a 6 game sample where they lost the series "I think there's good reason to think they'd run over the Suns, considering they took it to 6 without him."

The Clippers at no point over there time together have shown any indication of being the quality of team to be able to run over a good team like the Suns.

6 vs Dallas
losing vs Denver in 7
7 vs Dallas
6 vs Utah without Conley (losing Kawhi for the last 3rd, 2-2 with Kawhi)
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Post#15 » by MartinToVaught » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:47 am

The Clippers had no Kawhi, no Ibaka, Morris hobbling around on a bum knee, and Zubac got injured during that series, and the Suns still struggled all series long until the depleted Clippers finally ran out of gas in Game 6. Phoenix then went on to lose to the only healthy team they faced all postseason in the Finals. I don't see how any of this points to the Suns still beating us if Kawhi was available.
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Post#16 » by No-more-rings » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:52 am

eminence wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:
eminence wrote:Would the Clippers have beat the Jazz without the Conley injury?

They won the last 2 without Kawhi, and won their 4 games by an average of 15 points. Don’t think Conley makes up that kind of gap.


I think the Clippers certainly should be favored in the hypothetical (vs the Jazz).

But the point was more about pointing to the silliness of this idea taken from a 6 game sample where they lost the series "I think there's good reason to think they'd run over the Suns, considering they took it to 6 without him."

The Clippers at no point over there time together have shown any indication of being the quality of team to be able to run over a good team like the Suns.

6 vs Dallas
losing vs Denver in 7
7 vs Dallas
6 vs Utah without Conley (losing Kawhi for the last 3rd, 2-2 with Kawhi)

Well again they went for 4 straight wins by a healthy margin of victory over the Jazz, don’t see Conley swinging anything for them there. They definitely were on a roll going into the next series, is the point. “Running them over” was just for comic purposes nothing more.

You wouldn’t haved favored them comfortably over the suns with healthy Kawhi?
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Post#17 » by eminence » Thu Apr 7, 2022 1:04 am

No-more-rings wrote:
eminence wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:They won the last 2 without Kawhi, and won their 4 games by an average of 15 points. Don’t think Conley makes up that kind of gap.


I think the Clippers certainly should be favored in the hypothetical (vs the Jazz).

But the point was more about pointing to the silliness of this idea taken from a 6 game sample where they lost the series "I think there's good reason to think they'd run over the Suns, considering they took it to 6 without him."

The Clippers at no point over there time together have shown any indication of being the quality of team to be able to run over a good team like the Suns.

6 vs Dallas
losing vs Denver in 7
7 vs Dallas
6 vs Utah without Conley (losing Kawhi for the last 3rd, 2-2 with Kawhi)

Well again they went for 4 straight wins by a healthy margin of victory over the Jazz, don’t see Conley swinging anything for them there. They definitely were on a roll going into the next series, is the point. “Running them over” was just for comic purposes nothing more.

You wouldn’t haved favored them comfortably over the suns with healthy Kawhi?


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Post#18 » by falcolombardi » Thu Apr 7, 2022 1:14 am

No-more-rings wrote:
eminence wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:They won the last 2 without Kawhi, and won their 4 games by an average of 15 points. Don’t think Conley makes up that kind of gap.


I think the Clippers certainly should be favored in the hypothetical (vs the Jazz).

But the point was more about pointing to the silliness of this idea taken from a 6 game sample where they lost the series "I think there's good reason to think they'd run over the Suns, considering they took it to 6 without him."

The Clippers at no point over there time together have shown any indication of being the quality of team to be able to run over a good team like the Suns.

6 vs Dallas
losing vs Denver in 7
7 vs Dallas
6 vs Utah without Conley (losing Kawhi for the last 3rd, 2-2 with Kawhi)

Well again they went for 4 straight wins by a healthy margin of victory over the Jazz, don’t see Conley swinging anything for them there. They definitely were on a roll going into the next series, is the point. “Running them over” was just for comic purposes nothing more.

You wouldn’t haved favored them comfortably over the suns with healthy Kawhi?


the clippers with kawhi struggled to get past dallas, so no, i wouldnt be sure they beat the suns or bucks

basketball is not so simple that every series loss thst was somewhat close would be a confortable wins by adding a star player
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Post#19 » by MartinToVaught » Thu Apr 7, 2022 1:15 am

It's mindblowing how much benefit of the doubt that people are giving to a Suns team that still hasn't beaten a healthy opponent in the playoffs yet.

The Clippers struggled to get past Dallas because Luka actually played that whole series and he's that freaking good. We didn't get the luxury of facing three depleted MASH units in a row like the Suns did.
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Post#20 » by falcolombardi » Thu Apr 7, 2022 1:27 am

MartinToVaught wrote:It's mindblowing how much benefit of the doubt that people are giving to a Suns team that still hasn't beaten a healthy opponent in the playoffs yet.

The Clippers struggled to get past Dallas because Luka actually played that whole series and he's that freaking good. We didn't get the luxury of facing three depleted MASH units in a row like the Suns did.


ehh the kawhi clippers best wins are dallas x2 and utah ,two of those 3 were versus a injured team (utah and 2020 dallas) their other healthy series is 2020 nuggets which they lost

their portafolio is not that great either yet, even compared to the single playoffs suns

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