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Guys, I think Star Player played more minutes in Playoffs then in Regular Season. Maybe RefBall?))

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Injuries, stamina and foul trouble.

Also, they had Mt. Mutombo backing him at the C + TMac to carry the scoring load so that allowed for some leeway in regards to his minutes.

Morb wrote:Guys, I think Star Player played more minutes in Playoffs then in Regular Season. Maybe RefBall?))

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As you say, I always look at the fouls when I see a big playing less than we'd expect. At 4.4 fouls per game, Yao was playing about as much as he could.

This is one of the subtle things that I feel like we don't look enough at when it comes to big man prospects. Greg Oden, for example, even if he didn't have the injury issues, had major issues with foul trouble that he was going to have to solve in order to play the minutes necessary to be a real star.

Believe it or not, I learned to consider FPG when it came to assessing the quality of big men through Fast Break Fantasy Basketball. Man it’s important. I mean, perhaps not as much today as it once was, but importantly nonetheless.

Doctor MJ wrote:

Morb wrote:Guys, I think Star Player played more minutes in Playoffs then in Regular Season. Maybe RefBall?))

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As you say, I always look at the fouls when I see a big playing less than we'd expect. At 4.4 fouls per game, Yao was playing about as much as he could.

This is one of the subtle things that I feel like we don't look enough at when it comes to big man prospects. Greg Oden, for example, even if he didn't have the injury issues, had major issues with foul trouble that he was going to have to solve in order to play the minutes necessary to be a real star.

Certainly this is important and often overlooked and relevant here (one foul out in 22 minutes 22 secs).

That said there's a 3 foul game with less than 27 minutes. It ended as a decent sized Houston win but the gap was opened up in the 4th so it's likely not a garbage time thing. It could be over-conservatism with fouls but by first guess would be that they were doing better with Mutombo on court (which raises backup a relevant factor).

It might just be correlation but keeping him around 30mpg (as in his first three years) seemed to be better for keeping him on court and available for nearly all the games.

Owly wrote:

Doctor MJ wrote:

Morb wrote:Guys, I think Star Player played more minutes in Playoffs then in Regular Season. Maybe RefBall?))

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As you say, I always look at the fouls when I see a big playing less than we'd expect. At 4.4 fouls per game, Yao was playing about as much as he could.

This is one of the subtle things that I feel like we don't look enough at when it comes to big man prospects. Greg Oden, for example, even if he didn't have the injury issues, had major issues with foul trouble that he was going to have to solve in order to play the minutes necessary to be a real star.

Certainly this is important and often overlooked and relevant here (one foul out in 22 minutes 22 secs).

That said there's a 3 foul game with less than 27 minutes. It ended as a decent sized Houston win but the gap was opened up in the 4th so it's likely not a garbage time thing. It could be over-conservatism with fouls but by first guess would be that they were doing better with Mutombo on court (which raises backup a relevant factor).

It might just be correlation but keeping him around 30mpg (as in his first three years) seemed to be better for keeping him on court and available for nearly all the games.

Good point and there's certainly more nuance than just fouls...

but this is a guy who played multiple games with 36+ minutes in that series and also had a game where he fouled out in 20 minutes, so I don't think this was a matter of principle.

Doctor MJ wrote:

Owly wrote:

Doctor MJ wrote:
As you say, I always look at the fouls when I see a big playing less than we'd expect. At 4.4 fouls per game, Yao was playing about as much as he could.

This is one of the subtle things that I feel like we don't look enough at when it comes to big man prospects. Greg Oden, for example, even if he didn't have the injury issues, had major issues with foul trouble that he was going to have to solve in order to play the minutes necessary to be a real star.

Certainly this is important and often overlooked and relevant here (one foul out in 22 minutes 22 secs[typo]).

That said there's a 3 foul game with less than 27 minutes. It ended as a decent sized Houston win but the gap was opened up in the 4th so it's likely not a garbage time thing. It could be over-conservatism with fouls but by first guess would be that they were doing better with Mutombo on court (which raises backup a relevant factor).

It might just be correlation but keeping him around 30mpg (as in his first three years) seemed to be better for keeping him on court and available for nearly all the games.

Good point and there's certainly more nuance than just fouls...

but this is a guy who played multiple games with 36+ minutes in that series and also had a game where he fouled out in 20 minutes, so I don't think this was a matter of principle.

Oh no, that last point is just a note I had, it wasn't what [I think] they were thinking.

Fouls is the main thing. How coaches live with fouls might have been another and being effective with Mutombo another.

Owly wrote:

Doctor MJ wrote:

Morb wrote:Guys, I think Star Player played more minutes in Playoffs then in Regular Season. Maybe RefBall?))

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As you say, I always look at the fouls when I see a big playing less than we'd expect. At 4.4 fouls per game, Yao was playing about as much as he could.

This is one of the subtle things that I feel like we don't look enough at when it comes to big man prospects. Greg Oden, for example, even if he didn't have the injury issues, had major issues with foul trouble that he was going to have to solve in order to play the minutes necessary to be a real star.

Certainly this is important and often overlooked and relevant here (one foul out in 22 minutes 22 secs).

That said there's a 3 foul game with less than 27 minutes. It ended as a decent sized Houston win but the gap was opened up in the 4th so it's likely not a garbage time thing. It could be over-conservatism with fouls but by first guess would be that they were doing better with Mutombo on court (which raises backup a relevant factor).

It might just be correlation but keeping him around 30mpg (as in his first three years) seemed to be better for keeping him on court and available for nearly all the games.

But Yao played great. And look on this scandal about moving screens. 100k $!
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2008/6/11/550189/the-letter-also-alleges-th

This is painful series because T-Mac last healthy season.
Yao played great. He had easy points from T-Mac being double-teamed,
29 PER (because only 30 mpg),
+6 PER from RS!
69% TS
+8% TS from RS!
5.6 BPM
+3 BPM from RS
There was close games, so I think if Yao played 35 mpg it would be Win.
T-Mac also played Great (hello, Dirk),
27 PER for 43 mpg
+4 PER from RS
56% TS
+3% TS from RS
9.7 BPM
+3 BPM from RS
It was Heroic Effort And Ultimate Loss.))

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