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I haven't given it much thought, but I feel this isn't as cut and dried as most would expect. Then again I'm probably just being prisoner of the moment after the Bucks beatdown of the Celtics

I love Brook, he's probably my favorite player in the league right now. This is Gobert though, Brook wouldn't do any better in Rudy's place and role.

It's Gobert but prisoners of the moment will say RoLo as well as those who didn't look into what went wrong defensively with UTah and just kneejerk blamed Gobert. Hint: Dallas had the two leaders in drives in the entire playoffs who were taking very few shots at the rims and they had multiple games in the series where they had more open 3's than any team ever had in the playoffs since tracking started. So the problem wasn't Rudy.

And if you say but he broke their offense, again not quite that simple. He dominated the offensive glass, got the Mavs into foul trouble repeatedly as a result(and this was a team with a 6 man rotation so kinda a big deal), and continued to free Mitchell and Clarkson up time and again.

70sFan wrote:I love Brook, he's probably my favorite player in the league right now. This is Gobert though, Brook wouldn't do any better in Rudy's place and role.

Agree that it's Gobert

I think an interesting question is if you're Milwaukee, assuming contracts are equal, would you rather have Brook or Gobert? How valuable is Brook's shooting on a Giannis team relative to the advantage Gobert has over Lopez in a vacuum

Over the last four seasons Brook has played 54 playoff games/1605 playoff minutes (& counting) with 5.5 Win Shares and a .165 WS/48 compared to a .137 WS/48 over the last four regular seasons.

Over the last four seasons Gobert has played 29 playoff games/995 minutes with 3.7 Win Shares and a .179 WS/48 compared to a .250 WS/48 over the last four regular seasons.

Rudy is easily the more impactful regular season player & is more impactful in a vacuum, but Brooks added versatility on the offensive end closes the gap considerably in the playoffs (& obviously playing next to Giannis helps).

parsnips33 wrote:

70sFan wrote:I love Brook, he's probably my favorite player in the league right now. This is Gobert though, Brook wouldn't do any better in Rudy's place and role.

Agree that it's Gobert

I think an interesting question is if you're Milwaukee, assuming contracts are equal, would you rather have Brook or Gobert? How valuable is Brook's shooting on a Giannis team relative to the advantage Gobert has over Lopez in a vacuum

Spacing means everything in Bud's offense and the fact that Gobert would clog up the lane would render him pretty useless on the Bucks. If you are playing next to Giannis, you better be ready to let it fly.

brook is underated but this has to he gobert

Texas Chuck wrote:It's Gobert but prisoners of the moment will say RoLo as well as those who didn't look into what went wrong defensively with UTah and just kneejerk blamed Gobert. Hint: Dallas had the two leaders in drives in the entire playoffs who were taking very few shots at the rims and they had multiple games in the series where they had more open 3's than any team ever had in the playoffs since tracking started. So the problem wasn't Rudy.

And if you say but he broke their offense, again not quite that simple. He dominated the offensive glass, got the Mavs into foul trouble repeatedly as a result(and this was a team with a 6 man rotation so kinda a big deal), and continued to free Mitchell and Clarkson up time and again.

It would take a REAL prisoner of the moment to prefer RoLo (as opposed to BroLo)

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:It's Gobert but prisoners of the moment will say RoLo as well as those who didn't look into what went wrong defensively with UTah and just kneejerk blamed Gobert. Hint: Dallas had the two leaders in drives in the entire playoffs who were taking very few shots at the rims and they had multiple games in the series where they had more open 3's than any team ever had in the playoffs since tracking started. So the problem wasn't Rudy.

And if you say but he broke their offense, again not quite that simple. He dominated the offensive glass, got the Mavs into foul trouble repeatedly as a result(and this was a team with a 6 man rotation so kinda a big deal), and continued to free Mitchell and Clarkson up time and again.

It would take a REAL prisoner of the moment to prefer RoLo (as opposed to BroLo)

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Give Gobert Giannis and Jrue and ask again.

Brook @ 14 million >>> Rudy @ 38 million

70sFan wrote:I love Brook, he's probably my favorite player in the league right now. This is Gobert though, Brook wouldn't do any better in Rudy's place and role.

Gobert is a better help defender for sure but keep in mind that he gives you very little in terms of scoring. Lopez at least provides floor spacing and easy paint scoring. I don't think this is a crazy argument either tbh, although Gobert on the whole is a better defender.

And considering salary, I'd probably go with Brook. Rudy is just way overpaid for what he brings. He is valuable but not 40M a year valuable.

AussieBuck wrote:Give Gobert Giannis and Jrue and ask again.

Giannis thrives on the amount of spacing Brook provides, people overlook that quite a bit. If Gobert is in the paint with Giannis their offense stalls quite a bit, with them becoming much easier to wall by other teams.

SeniorWalker wrote:

AussieBuck wrote:Give Gobert Giannis and Jrue and ask again.

Giannis thrives on the amount of spacing Brook provides, people overlook that quite a bit. If Gobert is in the paint with Giannis their offense stalls quite a bit, with them becoming much easier to wall by other teams.

Brook is about a half spacer. Even Portis who is a legit great shooter gets left open most of the time. bucks use a guy cutting into the dunkers spot most of the time anyway. Wed be worse on offense but Rudy is tiers above Lopez defensively so the trade-off is fine.

AussieBuck wrote:

SeniorWalker wrote:

AussieBuck wrote:Give Gobert Giannis and Jrue and ask again.

Giannis thrives on the amount of spacing Brook provides, people overlook that quite a bit. If Gobert is in the paint with Giannis their offense stalls quite a bit, with them becoming much easier to wall by other teams.

Brook is about a half spacer. Even Portis who is a legit great shooter gets left open most of the time. bucks use a guy cutting into the dunkers spot most of the time anyway. Wed be worse on offense but Rudy is tiers above Lopez defensively so the trade-off is fine.

I wouldn't underrate Lopez offensive contribution, especially this postseason. I'll be frank, I think the Bucks can (potentially) make the finals without middleton and that is in huge part to holiday and Lopez. Lopez at least has the ability to step up his scoring load and offer 20+ point game here and there on efficient distance shooting, which is what Milwaukee needs. Gobert simply can't do that at all and outside of 10 feet is left completely open and cannot make anyone pay for it.

I'll take Brook. Rudy better defender but Brook provides alot of the same strengths at a budget tho obviously worse

Offensively its not close and Giannis limits Brooks effectiveness on offense and makes him a spotup shooter when he can post up and be a halfcourt option

Lets not forget what he did to help send Bucks to finals and 2-0 Ecf when Giannis was out. Against Capela too who historically sons Rudy in playoffs



Rudy could never in his life be close to this on offense specially in a pivotal game 5 with series tied. Brook would struggle with Jazz perimeter defenders even more than Rudy but results wouldnt be that different for defense. Dallas sure as **** isnt gonna get away with playing Luka at the 5 tho. Brook is posting his ass up, drawing fouls or scoring on him with ease

SeniorWalker wrote:

AussieBuck wrote:

SeniorWalker wrote:Giannis thrives on the amount of spacing Brook provides, people overlook that quite a bit. If Gobert is in the paint with Giannis their offense stalls quite a bit, with them becoming much easier to wall by other teams.

Brook is about a half spacer. Even Portis who is a legit great shooter gets left open most of the time. bucks use a guy cutting into the dunkers spot most of the time anyway. Wed be worse on offense but Rudy is tiers above Lopez defensively so the trade-off is fine.

I wouldn't underrate Lopez offensive contribution, especially this postseason. I'll be frank, I think the Bucks can (potentially) make the finals without middleton and that is in huge part to holiday and Lopez. Lopez at least has the ability to step up his scoring load and offer 20+ point game here and there on efficient distance shooting, which is what Milwaukee needs. Gobert simply can't do that at all and outside of 10 feet is left completely open and cannot make anyone pay for it.

Agree Brook could take on a bigger role without Middleton, it's a bit tricky with the giant team for Brook to find his space and spots. Hoping he gets into a groove in the non- Giannis minutes the rest of the starters play together.

The Bucks is about as close as it'd get, and I'd still go Gobert. On most teams the gap widens considerably.

SeniorWalker wrote:

70sFan wrote:I love Brook, he's probably my favorite player in the league right now. This is Gobert though, Brook wouldn't do any better in Rudy's place and role.

Gobert is a better help defender for sure but keep in mind that he gives you very little in terms of scoring. Lopez at least provides floor spacing and easy paint scoring. I don't think this is a crazy argument either tbh, although Gobert on the whole is a better defender.

And considering salary, I'd probably go with Brook. Rudy is just way overpaid for what he brings. He is valuable but not 40M a year valuable.

I don't agree, Gobert by himself can make you relevant on defensive end. That's something very few players can do on either end. It's not the fault of his or his contract that Jazz can't build a proper team around him.

SickMother wrote:Brook @ 14 million >>> Rudy @ 38 million

maybe, but using salary in a player comparision feels wrong when deteemining who is better