How many of Jordan's playoff runs were better that 2012 LeBron?

[Homer38]

Playoffs only

[70sFan]

Possibly none, although I can entertain 1990, 1991 and 1993.

[Gregoire]

For sure 90, 91, 93. Other ones is debatable.

[No-more-rings]

90 and 91.

[falcolombardi]

i think 91, others in the early 90's are at least arguable tho

[runtmc]

For sure 90, 91, 93. Other ones is debatable.

What about James' 2009 run? While the 2012 run was undeniably a great run, it really doesn't come close to his 2009 run -- which was one of the greatest postseasons (a case could be made for it being the greatest even) by a player ever. James' stats are almost literally unbelievable from that year: 37.4 PER, 0.399 WS/48, 35ppg/9rpg/7apg on 61.8% TS. Those numbers are so absurd they are almost like Wilt scoring 100 in a game or averaging 50 a game for a season -- they beggar belief to some extent. The Cavs did end up losing that year, but not because of James. He also put that up over 14 games, which is a pretty hefty sample size for the postseason, unlike say the gaudy stats MJ put up over 3 games in 86 & 87.

PS: Just a heads up Gregoire, thanks for reaching out, but I can't respond to PMs because I haven't met some requirement (for post count I believe) -- I would if I were able to though

[Blazers-1977]

For sure 90, 91, 93. Other ones is debatable.

What about James' 2009 run? While the 2012 run was undeniably a great run, it really doesn't come close to his 2009 run -- which was one of the greatest postseasons (a case could be made for it being the greatest even) by a player ever. James' stats are almost literally unbelievable from that year: 37.4 PER, 0.399 WS/48, 35ppg/9rpg/7apg on 61.8% TS. Those numbers are so absurd they are almost like Wilt scoring 100 in a game or averaging 50 a game for a season -- they beggar belief to some extent. The Cavs did end up losing that year, but not because of James. He also put that up over 14 games, which is a pretty hefty sample size for the postseason, unlike say the gaudy stats MJ put up over 3 games in 86 & 87.

PS: Just a heads up Gregoire, thanks for reaching out, but I can't respond to PMs because I haven't met some requirement (for post count I believe) -- I would if I were able to though

The difference is LeBron in 2012 dominated in high pressure games/situations like he never did before. Two of the most famous examples are 40/18/9 down 2-1 in Indiana without Bosh, and 45/15/5 down 3-2 vs Boston and generally did that all playoffs long.

[Gregoire]

For sure 90, 91, 93. Other ones is debatable.

What about James' 2009 run? While the 2012 run was undeniably a great run, it really doesn't come close to his 2009 run -- which was one of the greatest postseasons (a case could be made for it being the greatest even) by a player ever. James' stats are almost literally unbelievable from that year: 37.4 PER, 0.399 WS/48, 35ppg/9rpg/7apg on 61.8% TS. Those numbers are so absurd they are almost like Wilt scoring 100 in a game or averaging 50 a game for a season -- they beggar belief to some extent. The Cavs did end up losing that year, but not because of James. He also put that up over 14 games, which is a pretty hefty sample size for the postseason, unlike say the gaudy stats MJ put up over 3 games in 86 & 87.

PS: Just a heads up Gregoire, thanks for reaching out, but I can't respond to PMs because I haven't met some requirement (for post count I believe) -- I would if I were able to though

No problems, you could answer here:
viewtopic.php?t=1282751&start=340

[uberhikari]

For sure 90, 91, 93. Other ones is debatable.

What about James' 2009 run? While the 2012 run was undeniably a great run, it really doesn't come close to his 2009 run -- which was one of the greatest postseasons (a case could be made for it being the greatest even) by a player ever. James' stats are almost literally unbelievable from that year: 37.4 PER, 0.399 WS/48, 35ppg/9rpg/7apg on 61.8% TS. Those numbers are so absurd they are almost like Wilt scoring 100 in a game or averaging 50 a game for a season -- they beggar belief to some extent. The Cavs did end up losing that year, but not because of James. He also put that up over 14 games, which is a pretty hefty sample size for the postseason, unlike say the gaudy stats MJ put up over 3 games in 86 & 87.

PS: Just a heads up Gregoire, thanks for reaching out, but I can't respond to PMs because I haven't met some requirement (for post count I believe) -- I would if I were able to though

No problems, you could answer here:
viewtopic.php?t=1282751&start=340

Maybe you should repost this topic from scratch because the original thread was from 2013.

[falcolombardi]

For sure 90, 91, 93. Other ones is debatable.

What about James' 2009 run? While the 2012 run was undeniably a great run, it really doesn't come close to his 2009 run -- which was one of the greatest postseasons (a case could be made for it being the greatest even) by a player ever. James' stats are almost literally unbelievable from that year: 37.4 PER, 0.399 WS/48, 35ppg/9rpg/7apg on 61.8% TS. Those numbers are so absurd they are almost like Wilt scoring 100 in a game or averaging 50 a game for a season -- they beggar belief to some extent. The Cavs did end up losing that year, but not because of James. He also put that up over 14 games, which is a pretty hefty sample size for the postseason, unlike say the gaudy stats MJ put up over 3 games in 86 & 87.

PS: Just a heads up Gregoire, thanks for reaching out, but I can't respond to PMs because I haven't met some requirement (for post count I believe) -- I would if I were able to though

i think lebron 2009 is the only season ever that beats jordan 91 (jordan clear peak in box metric stats thanks to a efficiency peak) in bpm, epm and other boxscore agreggates like that

both in the playoffs and regular season and by comfortable margins at that

at least i remember reading somethingh about that, although wpuldnt be syrprised if 2022 jokic was up there either

[oaktownwarriors87]

I mean, Jordan had a higher WS/48, BPM and PER against tougher competition... multiple times.


Ranking opponents by SRS

Team Year F/CF/CSF/FR (Average SRS)

HOU 1995 6.44/5.90/3.85/7.76 (5.9875 average)
LAL 2001 3.63/7.92/6.07/4.52 (5.535 average)
CHI 1992 7.97/5.56/5.51/1.77 (5.2025 average)
LAL 2002 3.67/7.61/6.28/3.21 (5.1925 average)
LAL 2000 4.15/6.36/5.24/3.04 (4.6975 average)
DAL 2011 6.76/3.81/6.01/1.84 (4.605 average)
CLE 2016 10.38/4.08/3.49/0.43 (4.595 average)
SAS 2014 4.15/6.66/4.44/2.91 (4.54 average)
HOU 1994 6.48/4.10/4.68/2.59 (4.4625 average)
CHI 1996 6.27/5.87/6.30/(-0.67) (4.6100 average)
TOR 2019 6.42/8.04/2.25/0.28 (4.2475 average)
LAL 2010 3.37/4.67/5.33/3.55 (4.23 average)
SAS 2003 4.42/7.90/2.71/1.56 (4.1475 average)
CHI 1993 7.40/5.40/2.24/1.46 (4.125 average)
CHI 1991 5.73/6.25/2.45/1.88 (4.0775 average)
CHI 1997 6.94/5.34/3.67/(-3.94) (3.9875 average)
LAL 2009 6.48/3.12/3.73/2.31 (3.9075 average)
SAS 2007 3.33/3.06/7.28/1.69 (3.84 average)
SAS 2005 3.31/7.08/2.59/2.23 (3.8025 average)
BOS 2008 7.34/6.67/(-0.53)/(-2.23) (3.5025 average)
GSW 2017 2.87/7.13/4.00/(-0.23) (3.5 average)
DET 1989 6.38/2.13/4.11/1.26 (3.47 average)
MIA 2006 5.96/6.24/1.11/0.51 (3.455 average)
MIA 2012 6.44/2.26/2.59/2.39 (3.42 average)
BOS 1986 2.10/8.69/2.59/(-3.12) (3.345 average)
GSW 2018 0.59/8.21/1.48/2.89 (3.2925 average)
GSW 2015 4.08/3.82/3.62/1.13 (3.1625 average)
MIL 2021 5.67/2.14/4.24/(-0.06) (2.0125 average)
LAL 1988 5.46/3.59/2.96/(-5.02) (3.0025 average)
DET 2004 4.35/4.93/1.88/0.42 (2.895 average)
LAL 1985 6.46/2.05/2.80/(-2.34) (2.8275 average)
BOS 1984 3.32/4.04/3.79/(-2.36) (2.7875 average)
MIA 2013 6.67/3.34/(-0.02)/(-1.83) (2.5025 average)
DET 1990 6.48/2.74/0.78/(-0.18) (2.500 average)
CHI 1998 6.73/3.08/(-0.39)/(-0.43) (2.4525 average)
SAS 1999 1.45/5.67/2.67/(-0.17) (2.4475 average)
LAL 2020 2.59/2.35/3.13/(-0.61) (2.0175 average)
LAL 1987 6.57/0.08/(-2.54)/(-1.14) (1.6625 average)

[scrabbarista]

Off the top of my head, I'd say only '91. I haven't done a specific analysis on the question, but I'm pretty familiar - embarrassingly so, frankly - with the general contours of their careers and I know which years are which.

[falcolombardi]

Off the top of my head, I'd say only '91. I haven't done a specific analysis on the question, but I'm pretty familiar - embarrassingly so, frankly - with the general contours of their careers and I know which years are which.

probably most of us tbh lol, if you frequent basketball forums like this you probably have a embarassingly deep knowledge on lebron vs jordan minutia

i joked once to a non basketball friend that lebron vs jordan debates get more heated and in depth than even political ones

[CodeBreaker]

91, 92, 93.

93 Finals Jordan was ridiculous.