GSP wrote:73 Frazier
18 Oladipo
22 Jimmy
16 Draymond
20 Ad
for BOTH you CANNOT use any of the players on my team
scenario 1
you cant use any players who have won regular season Mvp
scenario 2
you can only use 1 player who has won regular season Mvp
can you do it?
If we’re going playoff versions of these guys it’s tough, so I guess if they get eliminated hella early we’ll go RS, and have Embiid healthy
10 Wade
22 Tatum
19 Kawhi
22 Horford
22 Embiid
The offense is mainly running through Wade or Kawhi, whose gonna get some ridiculous spacing with those 4. AD would have his hands full with Embiid, and Embiid I think would just be waaay to strong for dray like Jokic was in the post, so I think he’d feast too assuming his healthy. Wade gets some insane spacing
Kawhi I think is the best iso player on here, the guys that can prolly guard him best are dray and AD honestly, but neither would shut him down.
One of the things here I think, is that both teams are crazy on defense so it’s really a who struggles more to score question.
I think that my team wins out in that regard, and it’s mostly because my team has a much more favorable mismatches. If Embiid gets a switch on anyone, with maybe an exception of draymond, it’s an auto bucket. Kawhi can just post up Frazier and oladipo
Smarts stronger than both of them and talked about how kawhis strength basically had him taken off the court in players tribune so even if Frazier’s good on D they’re both gonna get eaten
Wades gonna get his obviously and will run the offense, most off of pick and roll though, but obviously with way more space now.
Dray guarding Embiid without help is already a stretch, the other three would die. Even AD would get into foul trouble if he was on an island
Defensively, horford and Embiid both are pretty mobile defensive big men that can stick with wings and guards a lot
Now AD is this mix of, being a walking mismatch but not as much of an auto bucket against a mismatch. If there’s a possession with kawhi or Tatum on him, he can go to work but it’s not an auto bucket at all, even 2020 AD
Because of that I can stick my big on Frazier who can’t shoot from three, and give him the Westbrook treatment that AD gave in the bubble essentially
So I think my team wins the defensive battle because of that bit, Frazier taking moderately contested midrange jumpers is really a non issue, the only player Wade can’t guard that’s a threat is AD so we’d just have to stop that particular mismatch, he’d do great on everyone else I think.
Kawhi would still do a lot on offense but get to focus on defense more, and locked in Kawhi on defense is one of the best wing defenders ever
It’s largely based on Frazier being an absolute non factor from three and my team being able to afford to put pretty much anyone, maybe Wade might be a bit too much, on dray since he’s a non factor on offense as a scorer (and honestly I might not be against putting Wade on dray)
A lot of drays offense is eliminated, he’s still a good passer but his passing doesn’t work with how AD plays, and Frazier is a pretty horrible pick and roll partner with him. His biggest strength is his short roll pick and roll passing, in that season, but oladipo is the only one where we can’t just auto drop. Jimmy shot well but he’s not pulling up from pick and roll like that, it’s more him sizing it up, and either way switching works really well
So offensively I think frazier becomes a liability on offense because of this, and you just have a big sag off on him and pack the paint that can still contest him. Draymond becomes a decent three point shooting option that has a high bball iq, so he’s still fine, but his shots would be far more contested than they were.
So it’s more so Oladipo/Butler/AD, but with the extra help we can send stunting on drives and the absurd ability we can use to guard wings I think it’s fine.
17 lebron
22 tatum
16 or 19 Kawhi
22 horford
22 embiid
But I mean, yeah lebron just eats Frazier and oladipo ig lol, and on defense you aren’t really gonna score at all. When the biggest possible mismatch is AD on Tatum, it’s gonna be pretty smooth sailing
The main trend is really that because Frazier can’t shoot, he’s essentially only good for D here. Modern offense wise, you really can’t expect to have a guard that can’t shoot and get away with it with these fantasy lineups. Draymond doesn’t work that well on offense without a strong pick and roll partner or a good offensive system where he can make those reads, but the makeup of the team doesn’t have those reads possible since oladipo is the only one who is gonna come off a screen for a three, AD hits them off the pop and butler sizes up a bit usually
Give Frazier a three and it changes things of course, but he’s def the weak point. Offensively they can’t really score against the switch everything teams since none of them can hard punish those teams like, let’s say a shaq can. Beyond that having a non shooter in the guard position means if he’s the one off ball it’s a huge arra of weakness on offense, and if he does have the ball that’s not exactly as threatening as playoff jimmy in the modern day, esp if you at worst have Wade guarding him
