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Peak only which duo would you rather have?

Kobe and KG

Kobe and KG. As expected though, this poll is the opposite... 9-4 in favor of Curry/Giannis.

LAL1947 wrote:Kobe and KG. As expected, this poll is the opposite though... 9-4 in favor of Curry/Giannis.

there are few arguments to vote against

DRBM wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:Kobe and KG. As expected, this poll is the opposite though... 9-4 in favor of Curry/Giannis.

there are few arguments to vote against

Such as... how great Giannis is going to Euro-4-step when Kobe locks Curry up?

DRBM wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:Kobe and KG. As expected, this poll is the opposite though... 9-4 in favor of Curry/Giannis.

there are few arguments to vote against

Such as... how wonderfully does Giannis do Euro-4-steps on KG when Kobe locks Curry up?

LAL1947 wrote:

DRBM wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:Kobe and KG. As expected, this poll is the opposite though... 9-4 in favor of Curry/Giannis.

there are few arguments to vote against

Such as... how wonderfully does Giannis do Euro-4-steps on KG when Kobe locks Curry up?

You know I’m pretty high on Kobe relative to everyone else but he’s not gonna lock Curry up lol

I think peak Kobe would be an absolute monster today, so I might take him and KG because that might mesh better, although the Curry Giannis luck and roll would be crazy

MyUniBroDavis wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

DRBM wrote:
there are few arguments to vote against

Such as... how wonderfully does Giannis do Euro-4-steps on KG when Kobe locks Curry up?

You know I’m pretty high on Kobe relative to everyone else but he’s not gonna lock Curry up lol

I think young Kobe would lock Curry up and throw away the key.

LAL1947 wrote:

MyUniBroDavis wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:Such as... how wonderfully does Giannis do Euro-4-steps on KG when Kobe locks Curry up?

You know I’m pretty high on Kobe relative to everyone else but he’s not gonna lock Curry up lol

I think young Kobe would lock Curry up and throw away the key.

Locking down Curry 1v1 isn’t really a thing because he’s not really isoing that much though lol, but hot Curry doesn’t get locked down

MyUniBroDavis wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

DRBM wrote:
there are few arguments to vote against

Such as... how wonderfully does Giannis do Euro-4-steps on KG when Kobe locks Curry up?

You know I’m pretty high on Kobe relative to everyone else but he’s not gonna lock Curry up lol

I think peak Kobe would be an absolute monster today, so I might take him and KG because that might mesh better, although the Curry Giannis luck and roll would be crazy

How do you envision Kobe and KG playing together on offense? What sets or triggers you think they would go to?

Max123 wrote:

MyUniBroDavis wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:Such as... how wonderfully does Giannis do Euro-4-steps on KG when Kobe locks Curry up?

You know I’m pretty high on Kobe relative to everyone else but he’s not gonna lock Curry up lol

I think peak Kobe would be an absolute monster today, so I might take him and KG because that might mesh better, although the Curry Giannis luck and roll would be crazy

How do you envision Kobe and KG playing together on offense? What sets or triggers you think they would go to?

Hmm, i was thinking more their two way fit but offensively it’s interesting. Kobe was a very versatile off ball player and could shoot coming off of screens and was a great cutter, KG’s passing is obviously going to benifit that a bit, so that’s from KGs side, Kobe otoh I think grades out as an outlier in terms of his effeciency in isolation and post ups compared to the rest of the pack during his peak so the bucks system might be good with that. Ditto the other way around, garnett was pretty good at driving too, and if he’s the center on the floor which makes sense he can be the focal point in penetration if they want a different look as well, since the bucks sometimes will put a small in the dunkers spot so the help is pretty weak

It’s versatile, I know Kobe graded well as a cutter finishing wise throughout his prime so maybe even some inverted pick and roll although I have way more doubts about that.

Their pick and roll game should be pretty great, Kobe showed he had aptitude for it in 2013 and I’m sure if you gave him a few years doing it he’d end up absolutely elite in it. With bron and AD, they have issues against switching. Im not sure if Kobe and KG would have those issues because you kind of have a similar situation where KG isn’t like Jokic or Shaq that a strong wing would just get sealed and die down low in pick and roll situations though

Thinking about it more Curry and Giannis might mesh better offensively. Trapping Curry doesn’t work because even if Giannis isn’t as much of a playmaker as draymond in the short roll, Giannis catching it on the move with space is a death wish, and if they do anything else Curry hits a 40 footer. Switching works way less too for obvious reasons

Defensively I think Kobe has two points of value, I think with less of an offensive load he probably gets better on the defensive side and he’s never gonna be a player to switch hunt while Curry is.

I might go with Curry and Giannis thinking about it more, my main thing was I’m really high on Kobe in today’s game (I think he has GOAT offensive type impact today maybe) and KG’s defense would be an easy DPOY today, otoh the pick and roll combination of Curry and Giannis might be too disgusting to pass up on. Giannis mismatch hunting with Curry as the screener creates a double issue since I’m sure with how their offense is they can use the threat of Giannis getting that mismatch to get Curry open looks if that makes sense (like if they overplay trying to stop the switch while the actual goal was getting Curry through some sort of action with Giannis mismatch , hunting as a decoy)

Idk it’s interesting lol, thinking through the Curry and Giannis combo honestly seems more exciting, I’m just really high in Kobe’s offense today tbh

I don’t think Curry has to be in a motion offence to have his impact nor do I think Giannis needs to be in the bucks offense for his impact, Currys obviously absurd on ball and Giannis as a cutter or a roll man is absolutely ATG at those things, so I do think you can make a very versatile tricky offense if you have those two

MyUniBroDavis wrote:

Max123 wrote:

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
You know I’m pretty high on Kobe relative to everyone else but he’s not gonna lock Curry up lol

I think peak Kobe would be an absolute monster today, so I might take him and KG because that might mesh better, although the Curry Giannis luck and roll would be crazy

How do you envision Kobe and KG playing together on offense? What sets or triggers you think they would go to?

Hmm, i was thinking more their two way fit but offensively it’s interesting. Kobe was a very versatile off ball player and could shoot coming off of screens and was a great cutter, KG’s passing is obviously going to benifit that a bit, so that’s from KGs side, Kobe otoh I think grades out as an outlier in terms of his effeciency in isolation and post ups compared to the rest of the pack during his peak so the bucks system might be good with that. Ditto the other way around, garnett was pretty good at driving too, and if he’s the center on the floor which makes sense he can be the focal point in penetration if they want a different look as well, since the bucks sometimes will put a small in the dunkers spot so the help is pretty weak

It’s versatile, I know Kobe graded well as a cutter finishing wise throughout his prime so maybe even some inverted pick and roll although I have way more doubts about that.

Their pick and roll game should be pretty great, Kobe showed he had aptitude for it in 2013 and I’m sure if you gave him a few years doing it he’d end up absolutely elite in it. With bron and AD, they have issues against switching. Im not sure if Kobe and KG would have those issues because you kind of have a similar situation where KG isn’t like Jokic or Shaq that a strong wing would just get sealed and die down low in pick and roll situations though

Thinking about it more Curry and Giannis might mesh better offensively. Trapping Curry doesn’t work because even if Giannis isn’t as much of a playmaker as draymond in the short roll, Giannis catching it on the move with space is a death wish, and if they do anything else Curry hits a 40 footer. Switching works way less too for obvious reasons

Defensively I think Kobe has two points of value, I think with less of an offensive load he probably gets better on the defensive side and he’s never gonna be a player to switch hunt while Curry is.

I might go with Curry and Giannis thinking about it more, my main thing was I’m really high on Kobe in today’s game (I think he has GOAT offensive type impact today maybe) and KG’s defense would be an easy DPOY today, otoh the pick and roll combination of Curry and Giannis might be too disgusting to pass up on. Giannis mismatch hunting with Curry as the screener creates a double issue since I’m sure with how their offense is they can use the threat of Giannis getting that mismatch to get Curry open looks if that makes sense (like if they overplay trying to stop the switch while the actual goal was getting Curry through some sort of action with Giannis mismatch , hunting as a decoy)

Idk it’s interesting lol, thinking through the Curry and Giannis combo honestly seems more exciting, I’m just really high in Kobe’s offense today tbh

I don’t think Curry has to be in a motion offence to have his impact nor do I think Giannis needs to be in the bucks offense for his impact, Currys obviously absurd on ball and Giannis as a cutter or a roll man is absolutely ATG at those things, so I do think you can make a very versatile tricky offense if you have those two

Thank you, very interesting answer. If you don’t mind, could you perhaps elaborate on why you think Kobe would have possibly GOAT level offensive impact in the modern game? I would think I’d personally still prefer the likes of Curry, MJ, Nash, Magic, Lebron, Jokic etc.

Max123 wrote:Thank you, very interesting answer. If you don’t mind, could you perhaps elaborate on why you think Kobe would have possibly GOAT level offensive impact in the modern game? I would think I’d personally still prefer the likes of Curry, MJ, Nash, Magic, Lebron, Jokic etc.

If you don’t mind, could you please elaborate on why you think Kobe would not have possibly GOAT level offensive impact in the modern game?

Some things for you to consider...

1) He was a more willing passer in his early years than MJ and a better 3-point shooter too. I'm not saying he'd be better than MJ in today's game, he wouldn't... but he would be better than the others you have listed.

2) Kobe was an "old school" scorer who did not need a screen or the pick n roll to create opportunities like Steph or Lebron need. With all the spacing today + increased amount of screens and pick n roll action... he'd feast, just like MJ would. Look at how Luka Doncic is feasting despite being stuck to the ground... IM̱HO, he has more similarities to young Kobe's playing style than to Lebron's.

That's interesting comparison, I think that Kobe/Garnett is a more natural fit with better defense but Curry/Giannis duo could reach higher ceilling on offensive end. I'm not sure how to build an offense around Curry and Giannis though. What are you going to do with Giannis? I don't have such concerns with Kobe/Garnett, who would play their usual styles.

About Kobe vs Curry matchup - Kobe's main strength as a defensive player is his ability to guard isolation scorers. This isn't something Curry does often. Kobe wouldn't be able to stay attached to Curry without the ball all the time, ball watching was always his actual weakness. I wouldn't even try Kobe on Curry, that wouldn't be a smart choice.

70sFan wrote:That's interesting comparison, I think that Kobe/Garnett is a more natural fit with better defense but Curry/Giannis duo could reach higher ceilling on offensive end. I'm not sure how to build an offense around Curry and Giannis though. What are you going to do with Giannis? I don't have such concerns with Kobe/Garnett, who would play their usual styles.

I also think Kobe/KG are a more natural fit and that's a good question about Giannis, what's his role going to be with Steph?

LAL1947 wrote:

70sFan wrote:That's interesting comparison, I think that Kobe/Garnett is a more natural fit with better defense but Curry/Giannis duo could reach higher ceilling on offensive end. I'm not sure how to build an offense around Curry and Giannis though. What are you going to do with Giannis? I don't have such concerns with Kobe/Garnett, who would play their usual styles.

I also think Kobe/KG are a more natural fit and that's a good question about Giannis, what's his role going to be with Steph?

I think he could work like Draymond on steroids, but it could downgrade his overall value. I don't think Giannis is a great screener and I'm not sure if motion offense suits him.

One thing would be a nightmare - transition play. Can't imagine Giannis in transition with Curry running for open threes, that would be deadly. As I said - I can see higher ceilling but I'm not sure if they could reach it.

LAL1947 wrote:

DRBM wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:Kobe and KG. As expected, this poll is the opposite though... 9-4 in favor of Curry/Giannis.

there are few arguments to vote against

Such as... how great Giannis is going to Euro-4-step when Kobe locks Curry up?

Such as Giannis being the best player out of the 4.
And I'm KG stan.
And Steph is going to surpass Kobe all time soon. Maybe tomorrow.

KGtabake wrote:Such as Giannis being the best player out of the 4.

You can make such case, but you can also make a case that he's the weakest player out of the 4. I think these 4 players are all reasonably close.

KGtabake wrote:And Steph is going to surpass Kobe all time soon. Maybe tomorrow.

Right... and tomorrow, I'm going to have a foursome with Blake Lively, Michelle Pfeiffer and the ghost of Grace Kelly.

LAL1947 wrote:

KGtabake wrote:And Steph is going to surpass Kobe all time soon. Maybe tomorrow.

Right... and tomorrow, I'm going to have a foursome with Blake Lively, Michelle Pfeiffer and the ghost of Grace Kelly.

If it's the Catwoman version of Michelle Pfeiffer and you need company, hit me up.