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Which duo would you rather build a new team around?

Not sure how you pass up on Miller/Lebron here.

can we change Malone to KG please

cpower wrote:can we change Malone to KG please

Why? That wouldn't be fair.

Colbinii wrote:

cpower wrote:can we change Malone to KG please

Why? That wouldn't be fair.

just for better synergy. Steph Malone would be a bad fit, you ask Curry to be the passer and Malone to score inefficiently.

1st time I have voted for a LeBron choice in one of these kinds of polls over the last couple weeks.

I'll go Lebron and Reggie.

I think this group as a sizeable edge in scoring, has the best on-ball playmaker and creator out of the 4 guys here, and also probably get the best peak defense combo out of guys.

From 91-2001 the average defensive efficiency of Indiana’s postseason opponent’s was around 102 per 100 possessions, and yet in the PD, the Pacers still scored 109.5 points per 100.

Along with Magic and Kobe, Reggie is one of three players in history to play on two separate teams with five-year stretches of +5 playoff offenses. He never had the onslaught of offensive help those two had either.

They clearly outperformed expectations offensively just based on that.

The one year that the Pacers had a below average PS offense was unironically in 96 when Miller was injured. And then they went back to being good offenses in the PS after that. The best playmaker Miller ever played with was Mark Jackson, and I feel as if having Lebron would only help to amplify such offenses.

In terms of my belief that Lebron and Reggie are a better combo as scorers

Reggie Miller in the Playoffs from 1990-99:
• 27.0 Points/75 on +11.3 rTS%

Some notable Lebron 3-year stretches
Lebron (08-10)-Inflation Adjusted 32 pts per 75 (rTS% of 5.6%)

Lebron (16-18)-Inflation Adjusted 30.6 pts per 75 (rTS% of 7.9%)

Lebron (17-20)-Inflation Adjusted 30.5 pts per 75 (rTS% of 8.3%)

Lebron (12-14)-Inflation Adjusted 30.3 pts per 75 (rTS% of 9%)

Lebron (14-16)-Inflation Adjusted 30.1 pts per 75 (rTS% of 5.9%)

Lebron (13-15)-Inflation Adjusted 29.7 pts per 75 (rTS% of 6%)

Lebron (09-11)-Inflation Adjusted 29 pts per 75 (rTS% of 6%)


Steph Curry in the playoffs from 2014-19:
• 28.0 Points/75 on +9.0 rTS%

Most notable Karl Malone 3 year stretches

(90-92) Inflation Adjusted 27.3 pts per 75 (rTS% of 5.1%)

(91-93) Inflation Adjusted 27.4 pts per 75 (rTS% of 5.1%)

(92-94) Inflation Adjusted 27.4 pts per 75 (rTS% of 5.0%)

Overall, I feel as if Miller and Lebron give you more guaranteed longevity as postseason scorers, while also arguably being better at their peaks (Malone's best PS runs seemingly came earlier than his MVP years). Considering how they play, I don't believe that that they would be stepping on each other's toes in terms of exerting offensive impact (putting Lebron with shooters is best), and therefore we might even see the GOAT 2 year PS Offense Cavs (16 and 17 PS) be potentially surpassed with the right surrounding pieces. Elite shooters, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love posted career-best marks in scaled APM in 2017 because I do believe Lebron's passing (especially skip passing) generates some of the best looks for shooters ever.

Colbinii wrote:

cpower wrote:can we change Malone to KG please

Why? That wouldn't be fair.

I'd still take LeBron/Miller.

Curry and Malone. Curry has shown he can win multiple titles for the franchise that drafted him even though the franchise was no good before him going there. Malone also got a team to the finals multiple times going thru Hakeem/Drexler/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel.

JordansBulls wrote:Curry and Malone. Curry has shown he can win multiple titles for the franchise that drafted him even though the franchise was no good before him going there. Malone also got a team to the finals multiple times going thru Hakeem/Drexler/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel.

Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

LA Bird wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:Curry and Malone. Curry has shown he can win multiple titles for the franchise that drafted him even though the franchise was no good before him going there. Malone also got a team to the finals multiple times going thru Hakeem/Drexler/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel.

Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

Lmao, i love this

LA Bird wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:Curry and Malone. Curry has shown he can win multiple titles for the franchise that drafted him even though the franchise was no good before him going there. Malone also got a team to the finals multiple times going thru Hakeem/Drexler/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel.

Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..

JordansBulls wrote:

LA Bird wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:Curry and Malone. Curry has shown he can win multiple titles for the franchise that drafted him even though the franchise was no good before him going there. Malone also got a team to the finals multiple times going thru Hakeem/Drexler/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel.

Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team and only won 1 title. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that had won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck. I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook.

Wow, I totally forgot LeBron played with prime Westbrook. Actually, the Lakers even had prime Howard and Melo off the bench too.

JordansBulls wrote:

LA Bird wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:Curry and Malone. Curry has shown he can win multiple titles for the franchise that drafted him even though the franchise was no good before him going there. Malone also got a team to the finals multiple times going thru Hakeem/Drexler/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel.

Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..

Okc and brodie fan here

LOL at prime westbrook in lakers

falcolombardi wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:

LA Bird wrote:Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..

Okc and brodie fan here

LOL at prime westbrook in lakers

He hadn't missed the playoffs apart from Lebron playing with another star half a season.

JordansBulls wrote:

LA Bird wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:Curry and Malone. Curry has shown he can win multiple titles for the franchise that drafted him even though the franchise was no good before him going there. Malone also got a team to the finals multiple times going thru Hakeem/Drexler/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel.

Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..

I’m wondering what the pick between 2003 Jordan or any LeBron season wouls be.

Steph and Malone

JordansBulls wrote:

LA Bird wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:Curry and Malone. Curry has shown he can win multiple titles for the franchise that drafted him even though the franchise was no good before him going there. Malone also got a team to the finals multiple times going thru Hakeem/Drexler/Pippen, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel.

Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..

LeBron made the finals with Larry Hughes and Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs with him in his prime in 2003....That says it all

If they stayed together their whole careers, LeBron and Miller would probably be regarded as the best duo of all time. Ridiculous synergy and longevity. I take them without thinking twice here.

You'd need to give Curry Duncan instead of Malone to make this more fair.

Homer38 wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:

LA Bird wrote:Winning a title for a franchise that never won before is the most important criteria and the Warriors had already won 3 titles before Curry. You have to be consistent and pick LeBron here. He won a title for a franchise that never won before and that drafted him, as the only All Star on his team, and he did it all without HCA.

I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..

LeBron made the finals with Larry Hughes and Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs with him in his prime in 2003....That says it all

Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 with HCA while Kobe won 3 titles with Shaq. Lebron won bronze medal with Tim Duncan while Jordan won gold medal with Patrick Ewing even before coming into the NBA. Lebron lost with HCA to Dwight Howard who is considered a career loser. Lebron missed the playoffs not only with prime Westbrook but with prime Anthony Davis along with a 3x DPOY in Dwight Howard and scoring champion in Melo and they were predicted to be and have the 2nd best odds to win it all.