Starting a Team: Karl Malone or Reggie Miller

[Matt15]

In todays league would you rather build around Malone or Miller?

[Ginoboleee]

I can't stand Mailman.
I love Reggie.

I would choose Mailman.
Easily.

Both are terribly overrated.
But one has a skill set that is much more unique, especially in today's game.
Durability/Toughness (RS only lol)/Consistency/Reliability.
Mailman will get you to the playoffs every year.
You will have time to find the other pieces.
Tall thin guys who can shot are popping up all over the place these days.

When starting a team, and choosing between a transcendent Big, a transcendent Wing, or transcendent primary ballhandler, I'm not sure there really is a wrong answer.

Mailman is much closer to being a Transcendent Big (albeit subtle, not flashy, and prone to big problems in crunch time), whereas Reggie was a Trailblazer Wing sure, but much farther away from being a Transcendent Wing. Reggie is funny, intense, rises to the occasion often/epically, and would be a good start to any team, especially in current league. But not quite as good as his PR would suggest, and we could easily do better. Take the Mailman and figure out the rest later.

[frica]

Karl... There's still levels to this.

[RCM88x]

I think this is clearly Miller unless you think Malone would be a capable defensive 5 in todays game, which isn't outlandish but I personally wouldn't believe it to be likely.

[bearadonisdna]

Malone is criminally underrated .
Statistically makes Tim Duncan look like a stooge

[parsnips33]

I think this is clearly Miller unless you think Malone would be a capable defensive 5 in todays game, which isn't outlandish but I personally wouldn't believe it to be likely.

Do you think he'd be worse than a Jokic or Towns defensively as a full time C?

[Colbinii]

I think this is clearly Miller unless you think Malone would be a capable defensive 5 in todays game, which isn't outlandish but I personally wouldn't believe it to be likely.

Do you think he'd be worse than a Jokic or Towns defensively as a full time C?

Worse than Jokic, about equal with Towns.

Jokic is definitely a capable 5 defensively.

[Colbinii]

Malone is criminally underrated .
Statistically makes Tim Duncan look like a stooge

Stooge's don't have many Children.

[RCM88x]

I think this is clearly Miller unless you think Malone would be a capable defensive 5 in todays game, which isn't outlandish but I personally wouldn't believe it to be likely.

Do you think he'd be worse than a Jokic or Towns defensively as a full time C?

Probably worse than Jokic just due to size but yeah probably around where Towns is. Offensively current KAT is around where Karl could be too I think, maybe slightly lower.

Thing is I'd expect Reggie to be way better than KAT is currently, he'd be right up there as one of the best players in the league I think.

[ty 4191]

Durability/Toughness (RS only lol)/Consistency/Reliability.

That Mailman was a failure in the playoffs is a trope I'm sick of hearing about around here, brother. His "poor" numbers and "dropoff" are largely a mirage, given the strength of teams he played against, overall, in the PS.

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Lower -2.0 Net Rating: Bad Team
From -2.0 to +1.9 Net Rating: Average Team
From +2.0 to +3.9 Net Rating: Good Team
From +4.0 to +6.0 Net Rating: Elite Team
Above +7.0 Net Rating: All-Time Great Team

Performance Against The Very Best: Versus Elite + All Time Great Teams

Kobe: (71.8% of total games): 38 MPG, 24.4 PPG, 4.9 RBS, 4.5 AST, (+2.4 rTS%)

Malone: (68.9% of playoff games): 40.7 MPG, 24.3 PPG, 10.6 RBS, 3.5 AST, (-1.1 rTS%)

Hakeem: (66.3% of total games): 41.7 MPG, 28.0 PPG, 11.5 RBS, 3.6 AST, (+3.1 rTS%)

Jordan: (60.9% of total games): 41.9 MPG, 34.1 PPG, 6.6 RBS, 5.8 AST, (+3.6% rTS%)

Curry: (53% of total games): 38.7 MPG, 26.4 PPG, 5.2 RBS, 7 AST, (+9.0 rTS%)

Duncan: (50.2% of total games): 38.0 MPG, 20.9 PPG, 12.2 RBS, 3.0 AST, (+0.6 rTS%)

Wilt: (46.2% of total games): 47.2 MPG, 26.8 PPG, 24.3 RBS, 3.4 AST, (+2.8 rTS%)

LeBron: (43.6% of total games): 41.8 MPG, 28.3 PPG, 8.9 RBS, 7.2 AST, (+2.6 tTS%)

Magic: (39.2% of total games): 39.9 MPG, 19.3 PPG, 7.8 RBS, 12.3 AST, (+3.9 tTS%)

Bird: (37.2% of total games): 43.0 MPG, 24.8 PPG, 10.8 RBS, 6.6 AST, (+4.3 rTS%)

West: (35.9% of total games): 39.7 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 4.8 RBS, 5.5 AST, (+0.8 rTS%)

Kareem: (27.1% of total games): 39.4 MPG, 27.1 PPG, 12.4 RBS, 3.3 AST, (+4.6% rTS%)

Russell: (26% of total games): 47.6 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 24.4 RBS, 4.8 AST, (-1.6 rTS%)

[Cavsfansince84]

The question is do we get the raw Malone who came into the league in 86 or do we assume he still develops into the sort of player he became back then while getting to play with a pg who complimented him extremely well and on a team that was willing to make him their offensive centerpiece back in 88? I ask because I don't really see a team making him their focal point today. I think he probably maxes out more as a 20/12 type guy who still runs a lot of pnr. I don't think teams would feed him the ball as their first option nearly as much and I don't think he gets quite as many points in transition as he got back then. So all in all I see this as pretty close and I'm not sure that either guy really gets built around in today's league. I think even Reggie would be more suited to being a #2 in the Klay mold with slightly more on ball ability. Reggie is probably the better choice I would say. Karl's strengths wouldn't be fully utilized in today's league and I don't think they would fully develop either because he wouldn't be a #1 option so early on.

[ty 4191]

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And in fact, only Wilt Chamberlain faced greater defenses than Malone in the playoffs:

Here are cumulative stats against -4.0 rDRtg defenses or better:

Centers:

Bill Russell (11.0% of playoffs games): 42.8 mpg, 26.2 rpg, 3.8 apg, 16.4 ppg on 42.7% FG, 60.9% FT, 45.4% TS (-1.90 rTS%)

Wilt Chamberlain (52.50% of playoffs games): 47.5 mpg, 28.5 rpg, 4.3 apg, 28.1 ppg on 50.8% FG, 50.6% FT, 52.2% TS (+3.84 rTS%)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (26.60% of playoffs games): 44.1 mpg, 15.9 rpg, 4.1 apg, 33.3 ppg on 54.5% FG, 72.2% FT, 56.9% TS (+5.28 rTS%)

Moses Malone (14.29% of playoffs games): 40.5 mpg, 13.7 rpg,2.1 apg, 1.9 tov, 27.0 ppg on 48.7% FG, 81.9% FT and 55.5% TS (+1.79% rTS)

Shaquille O'Neal (30.38% of playoffs games): 41.1 mpg, 13.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 3.3 tov, 26.9 ppg on 55.8% FG, 53.5% FT and 56.9% TS (+4.59% rTS)

Hakeem Olajuwon (15.45% of playoffs games): 42.0 mpg, 10.2 rpg, 3.1 apg, 3.4 tov, 24.1 ppg on 48.9% FG, 75.2% FT and 53.9% TS (+0.30% rTS)

David Robinson (0.00% of playoffs games):--

Artis Gilmore (5.13% of playoffs games): 45.3 mpg, 18.8 rpg, 3.5 apg, 3.5 tov, 15.3 ppg on 44.3% FG, 36.8% FT and 44.0% TS (-6.93% rTS)

Patrick Ewing (21.70% of playoffs games): 40.7 mpg, 11.3 rpg, 1.7 apg, 3.0 tov, 22.9 ppg on 43.7% FG, 80.0% FT and 49.0% TS (-4.48% rTS)

Power Forwards:

Tim Duncan (16.77% of playoffs games): 41.7 mpg, 13.7 rpg, 3.2 apg, 3.0 tov, 23.6 ppg on 47.8% FG, 68.0% FT and 52.7% TS (+0.50% rTS)

Kevin Garnett (21.54% of playoffs games): 40.2 mpg, 11.0 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.6 tov, 22.0 ppg on 48.3% FG, 80.2% FT and 55.0% TS (+2.41% rTS)

Charles Barkley:(14.86% of playoffs games): 42.2 mpg, 13.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, 2.3 tov, 24.2 ppg on 45.3% FG, 29.6% 3FG, 79.8% FT and 54.3% TS (+1.03% rTS)

Dirk Nowitzki (28.23% of playoffs games): 41.1 mpg, 10.6 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.0 tov, 23.4 ppg on 45.5% FG, 29.3% 3FG, 88.4% FT and 57.4% TS (+4.41% rTS)

Karl Malone (41.26% of playoffs games): 41.7 mpg, 11.0 rpg, 3.9 apg, 2.7 tov, 25.4 ppg on 46.8% FG, 67.0% FT and 51.5% TS (-1.56% rTS)

Bob Pettit (36.78% of playoffs games): 41.5 mpg, 15.9 rpg, 2.8 apg, -- tov, 26.8 ppg on 41.9% FG, 76.6% FT and 50.0% TS (+3.75% rTS)

Small Forwards:

LeBron James (37.38% of playoffs games): 42.4 mpg, 9.0 rpg, 6.6 apg, 3.9 tov, 29.8 ppg on 48.2% FG, 36.3% 3FG, 72.8% FT and 57.1% TS (+2.93% rTS)

Larry Bird (16.94% of playoffs games): 39.9 mpg, 10.1 rpg, 6.1 apg, 4.0 tov, 25.6 ppg on 53.1% FG, 42.9% 3FG, 91.4% FT and 61.6% TS (+7.39% rTS)

Julius Erving (8.45% of playoffs games): 40.7 mpg, 8.3 rpg, 5.3 apg, 3.7 tov, 26.0 ppg on 52.7% FG, 14.3% 3FG, 78.1% FT and 58.6% TS (+5.35% rTS)

Kevin Durant (18.84% of playoffs games): 40.9 mpg, 7.6 rpg, 3.9 apg, 3.9 tov, 28.3 ppg on 49.9% FG, 35.7% 3FG 82.5% FT and 60.2% TS (+6.33% rTS)

Shooting Guards:

Michael Jordan (32.96% of playoffs games): 42.4 mpg, 6.3 rpg, 5.6 apg, 3.2 tov, 32.6 ppg on 45.8% FG, 29.5% 3FG, 84.6% FT and 54.9% TS (+1.24% rTS)

Kobe Bryant (30.59% of playoffs games): 42.9 mpg, 5.5 rpg, 5.2 apg, 3.0 tov, 27.3 ppg on 45.3% FG, 32.4% 3FG, 79.6% FT and 52.8% TS (-0.07% rTS)

Dwyane Wade (27.84% of playoffs games): 40.7 mpg, 5.6 rpg, 4.4 apg, 3.6 tov, 23.9 ppg on 45.0% FG, 20.0% 3FG, 78.9% FT and 52.9% TS (-0.53% rTS)

James Harden (28.77% of playoffs games): 37.0 mpg, 6.1 rpg, 8.0 apg, 4.7 tov, 27.1 ppg on 41.2% FG, 33.5% 3FG, 86.9% FT and 56.6% TS (+1.52% rTS)

George Gervin (6.94% of playoffs games): 40.4 mpg, 6.8 rpg, 3.8 apg, 3.2 tov, 27.2 ppg on 45.1% FG, 0.0% 3FG, 83.9% FT and 50.1% TS (-3.77% rTS)

Point Guards:

Magic Johnson (15.51% of playoffs games): 40.3 mpg, 8.2 rpg, 10.5 apg, 3.9 tov, 19.7 ppg on 51.9% FG, 19.2% 3FG, 83.3% FT and 59.5% TS (+5.96% rTS)

[Ginoboleee]

ty4191, my future friend, I love all the friendly passion, and helpful research/stats.
I appreciate how you are helping us (specifically, me) learn about the overall challenge level for the ATG's playoff runs.
I'm sure to a large degree you are correct.

Yet, I am talking about a couple of very specific things - and, as usual, I was sorta joking with my toss-off remark about RS Only Toughness.
Mailman was awesome in the RS, and, except for one thing that I can remember as clear as day, he was awesome in the playoffs too.
And that one thing was, I guess the lingo is, Not Clutch.
I am simply reporting that he fell so in love with that stop-and-pop jumper, that come playoff time, in the big games, in the toughest moments, nobody repeat nobody was worried that Mailman would hit the big shot.
I would be shocked if Mailman ever admitted it, but we all knew back in the day that even HE KNEW it wouldn't go in, and thus, to be blunt, he DID NOT WANT the key shots at the end of the key playoff games.
He was one of the first Hot Potato guys I ever saw.

He was their offense, so the stats will look big no matter what.
But perhaps if we focus on the key games, and especially the key quarters, I would be stunned if we didn't find lots of evidence to support the conventional wisdom.

In terms of 20th Century (Pre-Analytics) stat lines, the overall results support your general conclusion.
RS 25/10/4/1/1
Playoffs 25/11/3/1/1
Same.
But the FG% drops, as might be expected once Playoff Defenses kick in:
RS 52%
Playoffs 46%
So maybe that support me, and maybe it doesn't - because it is plausible that (a) lots of players FG% drops in the playoffs and/or (b) that gap might not be so terrible. However (c) with a huge sample size, it does add up over time, the extra misses.

Still, the answer might be right there in the Game Logs, just waiting for us.

[colts18]

I ask because I don't really see a team making him their focal point today. I think he probably maxes out more as a 20/12 type guy who still runs a lot of pnr. I don't think teams would feed him the ball as their first option nearly as much and I don't think he gets quite as many points in transition as he got back then.

I hate when you guys do this. The level of disrespect for the leagues is absurd.

Are we still talking about the same NBA where friggin Julius Randle averaged 24/10 as a Big Man? What about the same NBA that Domantas Sabonis averaged 20/12? What about Jonas Valuncianus averaging 18/11 (21/14 per 36)?

Is Valanciunias really more talented than Karl Malone? If they can score 20 PPG and Tobias Harris can score 20 PPG, Malone is easily scoring 25-30 PPG.

[Cavsfansince84]

I hate when you guys do this. The level of disrespect for the leagues is absurd.

Are we still talking about the same NBA where friggin Julius Randle averaged 24/10 as a Big Man? What about the same NBA that Domantas Sabonis averaged 20/12? What about Jonas Valuncianus averaging 18/11 (21/14 per 36)?

Is Valanciunias really more talented than Karl Malone? If they can score 20 PPG and Tobias Harris can score 20 PPG, Malone is easily scoring 25-30 PPG.

The question I had was whether he develops the same way and teams are willing to feed him the ball that much and make him a #1 option as early as he was in Utah. Also, I hate it when posts get lumped together in a 'you guys' type of label. I am generally very high on guys from the 60's onward and even some 50's guys. Worth noting that Randle averaged 24/10 while shooting .411 on 5.5 3apg and having Randle as a #1 option is not an optimal thing in today's nba either. Moving guys from one era to another is always sort of difficult imo because they develop differently a lot of the time.

[Dutchball97]

I'd never pick Karl Malone for anything due to him being a monster off the court but in terms of on court basketball ability I think he's clearly a tier ahead of Reggie and them playing in an era where the 3 point shot is more important isn't going to switch around that hierarchy.

[Dr Positivity]

Don't really get why Miller should adjust to this era more than Malone. It's not like Miller doesn't have some antiquated parts of his game like running around to get open for midrange shots. And Malone combination of athleticism, pick and roll ability and shooting should work fine in modern day. If you say Miller would shoot more 3s, you can also say Malone may have extended his range to acceptable 3pt ability. I have a contrary view on Miller's shooting in that it's slightly overrated if people think he's going to have this nuclear spacing effect. I think he is the 4th best shooter in the NBA if he played today behind Curry, Klay and Lillard which is great but not game warping. He is a better shooter than players like LaVine and CJ but not really by that extreme of an amount. Miller leads the NBAs in 3s made twice but has a lot of seasons where he's like 4th or 5th and some lower than that. He's not really crushing the field. There is even a few seasons in their primes where he has less 3s than Richmond.

[homecourtloss]

Durability/Toughness (RS only lol)/Consistency/Reliability.

That Mailman was a failure in the playoffs is a trope I'm sick of hearing about around here, brother. His "poor" numbers and "dropoff" are largely a mirage, given the strength of teams he played against, overall, in the PS.

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Lower -2.0 Net Rating: Bad Team
From -2.0 to +1.9 Net Rating: Average Team
From +2.0 to +3.9 Net Rating: Good Team
From +4.0 to +6.0 Net Rating: Elite Team
Above +7.0 Net Rating: All-Time Great Team

Performance Against The Very Best: Versus Elite + All Time Great Teams

Kobe: (71.8% of total games): 38 MPG, 24.4 PPG, 4.9 RBS, 4.5 AST, (+2.4 rTS%)

Malone: (68.9% of playoff games): 40.7 MPG, 24.3 PPG, 10.6 RBS, 3.5 AST, (-1.1 rTS%)

Hakeem: (66.3% of total games): 41.7 MPG, 28.0 PPG, 11.5 RBS, 3.6 AST, (+3.1 rTS%)

Jordan: (60.9% of total games): 41.9 MPG, 34.1 PPG, 6.6 RBS, 5.8 AST, (+3.6% rTS%)

Curry: (53% of total games): 38.7 MPG, 26.4 PPG, 5.2 RBS, 7 AST, (+9.0 rTS%)

Duncan: (50.2% of total games): 38.0 MPG, 20.9 PPG, 12.2 RBS, 3.0 AST, (+0.6 rTS%)

Wilt: (46.2% of total games): 47.2 MPG, 26.8 PPG, 24.3 RBS, 3.4 AST, (+2.8 rTS%)

LeBron: (43.6% of total games): 41.8 MPG, 28.3 PPG, 8.9 RBS, 7.2 AST, (+2.6 tTS%)

Magic: (39.2% of total games): 39.9 MPG, 19.3 PPG, 7.8 RBS, 12.3 AST, (+3.9 tTS%)

Bird: (37.2% of total games): 43.0 MPG, 24.8 PPG, 10.8 RBS, 6.6 AST, (+4.3 rTS%)

West: (35.9% of total games): 39.7 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 4.8 RBS, 5.5 AST, (+0.8 rTS%)

Kareem: (27.1% of total games): 39.4 MPG, 27.1 PPG, 12.4 RBS, 3.3 AST, (+4.6% rTS%)

Russell: (26% of total games): 47.6 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 24.4 RBS, 4.8 AST, (-1.6 rTS%)

Why is +7 an “all time great team”? Why not +8?

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And in fact, only Wilt Chamberlain faced greater defenses than Malone in the playoffs:

Here are cumulative stats against -4.0 rDRtg defenses or better:

Centers:

Bill Russell (11.0% of playoffs games): 42.8 mpg, 26.2 rpg, 3.8 apg, 16.4 ppg on 42.7% FG, 60.9% FT, 45.4% TS (-1.90 rTS%)

Wilt Chamberlain (52.50% of playoffs games): 47.5 mpg, 28.5 rpg, 4.3 apg, 28.1 ppg on 50.8% FG, 50.6% FT, 52.2% TS (+3.84 rTS%)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (26.60% of playoffs games): 44.1 mpg, 15.9 rpg, 4.1 apg, 33.3 ppg on 54.5% FG, 72.2% FT, 56.9% TS (+5.28 rTS%)

Moses Malone (14.29% of playoffs games): 40.5 mpg, 13.7 rpg,2.1 apg, 1.9 tov, 27.0 ppg on 48.7% FG, 81.9% FT and 55.5% TS (+1.79% rTS)

Shaquille O'Neal (30.38% of playoffs games): 41.1 mpg, 13.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 3.3 tov, 26.9 ppg on 55.8% FG, 53.5% FT and 56.9% TS (+4.59% rTS)

Hakeem Olajuwon (15.45% of playoffs games): 42.0 mpg, 10.2 rpg, 3.1 apg, 3.4 tov, 24.1 ppg on 48.9% FG, 75.2% FT and 53.9% TS (+0.30% rTS)

David Robinson (0.00% of playoffs games):--

Artis Gilmore (5.13% of playoffs games): 45.3 mpg, 18.8 rpg, 3.5 apg, 3.5 tov, 15.3 ppg on 44.3% FG, 36.8% FT and 44.0% TS (-6.93% rTS)

Patrick Ewing (21.70% of playoffs games): 40.7 mpg, 11.3 rpg, 1.7 apg, 3.0 tov, 22.9 ppg on 43.7% FG, 80.0% FT and 49.0% TS (-4.48% rTS)

Power Forwards:

Tim Duncan (16.77% of playoffs games): 41.7 mpg, 13.7 rpg, 3.2 apg, 3.0 tov, 23.6 ppg on 47.8% FG, 68.0% FT and 52.7% TS (+0.50% rTS)

Kevin Garnett (21.54% of playoffs games): 40.2 mpg, 11.0 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.6 tov, 22.0 ppg on 48.3% FG, 80.2% FT and 55.0% TS (+2.41% rTS)

Charles Barkley:(14.86% of playoffs games): 42.2 mpg, 13.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, 2.3 tov, 24.2 ppg on 45.3% FG, 29.6% 3FG, 79.8% FT and 54.3% TS (+1.03% rTS)

Dirk Nowitzki (28.23% of playoffs games): 41.1 mpg, 10.6 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.0 tov, 23.4 ppg on 45.5% FG, 29.3% 3FG, 88.4% FT and 57.4% TS (+4.41% rTS)

Karl Malone (41.26% of playoffs games): 41.7 mpg, 11.0 rpg, 3.9 apg, 2.7 tov, 25.4 ppg on 46.8% FG, 67.0% FT and 51.5% TS (-1.56% rTS)

Bob Pettit (36.78% of playoffs games): 41.5 mpg, 15.9 rpg, 2.8 apg, -- tov, 26.8 ppg on 41.9% FG, 76.6% FT and 50.0% TS (+3.75% rTS)

Small Forwards:

LeBron James (37.38% of playoffs games): 42.4 mpg, 9.0 rpg, 6.6 apg, 3.9 tov, 29.8 ppg on 48.2% FG, 36.3% 3FG, 72.8% FT and 57.1% TS (+2.93% rTS)

Larry Bird (16.94% of playoffs games): 39.9 mpg, 10.1 rpg, 6.1 apg, 4.0 tov, 25.6 ppg on 53.1% FG, 42.9% 3FG, 91.4% FT and 61.6% TS (+7.39% rTS)

Julius Erving (8.45% of playoffs games): 40.7 mpg, 8.3 rpg, 5.3 apg, 3.7 tov, 26.0 ppg on 52.7% FG, 14.3% 3FG, 78.1% FT and 58.6% TS (+5.35% rTS)

Kevin Durant (18.84% of playoffs games): 40.9 mpg, 7.6 rpg, 3.9 apg, 3.9 tov, 28.3 ppg on 49.9% FG, 35.7% 3FG 82.5% FT and 60.2% TS (+6.33% rTS)

Shooting Guards:

Michael Jordan (32.96% of playoffs games): 42.4 mpg, 6.3 rpg, 5.6 apg, 3.2 tov, 32.6 ppg on 45.8% FG, 29.5% 3FG, 84.6% FT and 54.9% TS (+1.24% rTS)

Kobe Bryant (30.59% of playoffs games): 42.9 mpg, 5.5 rpg, 5.2 apg, 3.0 tov, 27.3 ppg on 45.3% FG, 32.4% 3FG, 79.6% FT and 52.8% TS (-0.07% rTS)

Dwyane Wade (27.84% of playoffs games): 40.7 mpg, 5.6 rpg, 4.4 apg, 3.6 tov, 23.9 ppg on 45.0% FG, 20.0% 3FG, 78.9% FT and 52.9% TS (-0.53% rTS)

James Harden (28.77% of playoffs games): 37.0 mpg, 6.1 rpg, 8.0 apg, 4.7 tov, 27.1 ppg on 41.2% FG, 33.5% 3FG, 86.9% FT and 56.6% TS (+1.52% rTS)

George Gervin (6.94% of playoffs games): 40.4 mpg, 6.8 rpg, 3.8 apg, 3.2 tov, 27.2 ppg on 45.1% FG, 0.0% 3FG, 83.9% FT and 50.1% TS (-3.77% rTS)

Point Guards:

Magic Johnson (15.51% of playoffs games): 40.3 mpg, 8.2 rpg, 10.5 apg, 3.9 tov, 19.7 ppg on 51.9% FG, 19.2% 3FG, 83.3% FT and 59.5% TS (+5.96% rTS)

What happens with a -5 defense or better?

[Jaivl]

Malone probably would not even get into the current league for impregnating a 13-year old in college, so yeah.

If we don't take that into account then it's Malone easily.

[ty 4191]

Why is +7 an “all time great team”? Why not +8?

What happens with a -5 defense or better?

Ask 70'sFan. It's his framework and this was his project.