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Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:42 am
by mdonnelly1989
Imo it's probably between these 4

KG
Kemp
Rodman
Giannis

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:13 am
by JimmyFromNz
Blake Griffin would near the top of any list for me, the jumping ability is the obvious, but the physique and speed at his size was phenomenal.

If we consider Josh Smith a power forward he's another at the very top, unfortunately he balanced that out with some seriously poor decision making.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:18 am
by falcolombardi
Duke zion must be up there

The jumping ability and explosion at that body mass is just off the charts wild

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:43 am
by mdonnelly1989
JimmyFromNz wrote:Blake Griffin would near the top of any list for me, the jumping ability is the obvious, but the physique and speed at his size was phenomenal.

If we consider Josh Smith a power forward he's another at the very top, unfortunately he balanced that out with some seriously poor decision making.



Forgot about Blake. He's def in the convo.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:33 am
by penbeast0
mdonnelly1989 wrote:Imo it's probably between these 4

KG
Kemp
Rodman
Giannis


You are assuming your conclusions again. I would say probably LeBron James, maybe Elgin Baylor, Connie Hawkins, or Shawn Marion if you are talking purely run/jump/coordination. All played a great deal of PF. You at least need an OTHER option for those that don't agree with your hot takes.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:00 am
by mdonnelly1989
penbeast0 wrote:
mdonnelly1989 wrote:Imo it's probably between these 4

KG
Kemp
Rodman
Giannis


You are assuming your conclusions again. I would say probably LeBron James, maybe Elgin Baylor, Connie Hawkins, or Shawn Marion if you are talking purely run/jump/coordination. All played a great deal of PF. You at least need an OTHER option for those that don't agree with your hot takes.


Alright sure. Normally I do, not sure I didn't think of that. Also Lebron James is and will go down as a SF in history. It's why you don't ever see him compared to Tim Duncan or KG. He's compared to Larry Bird who was dominantly a SF.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:25 am
by Eagle4
Malone was more athletic than Rodman.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:58 am
by LukaTheGOAT
falcolombardi wrote:Duke zion must be up there

The jumping ability and explosion at that body mass is just off the charts wild


This is the answer to me. I would even have him ahead of Miami Lebron who also played some PF.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:19 am
by tsherkin
Pre-surgery Amare should also be in this discussion, among the other additions others have rightly made.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:40 am
by HeartBreakKid
Surprised Charles Barkley isn't a candidate.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:37 am
by SpreeS
Kemp


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Griffin


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Amare


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These are TOP3 for me. Size/speed/leaping/fluidity

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McDyess


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Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:53 pm
by Owly
Depends
1) What you mean by power forward, where the parameters are there (eras matter here too, now many playing the 4 don't fit the conventional 4 archetype but are just the largest wing).
2) What you mean by athletic, where the parameters are there.
3) Do you need to have been good at basketball? (All or most of the names here seem top 100 candidates [or high profile plausibly might get there for Zion]).
4) Is it versus peers or time travel?
5) At athletic apex? Over their career?

If strength is part of it that gives an advantage to Karl (and perhaps, to a lesser degree, the compact wrecking ball types: Zion, Charles).

If we're looking at explosive leapers Kemp and McDyess pop. So might Stromile Swift or Ty Thomas among lesser players. Or you could go through a list of dunk contestants and decide who counts as a 4 (LJ? Kenny Williams? Tom Chambers? .... if Larry Nance Sr is a 4, which I think he mostly is historically - though more a 3 in Phoenix, I would say he warrants some place in the discussion - Hakim Warrick was a 4 but takes us back to do you need to be any good at basketball). This is probably the most visually striking aspect of athleticism.

If end to end speed matters ...
If engine (how long) and motor (how active) matters ...
If lateral quickness matters ...
Depending on what counts and what counts most you could get very different answers.


If Bobby Jones is a 4 (I tend to mentally categorize as a 3, don't know if that's justified) I'd mention him though that might be influenced by liking his game more generally (and of course while he went hard, asthma limited his minutes).

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:57 pm
by LAL1947
Some good options mentioned in the thread but the most athletic PF is Giannis IMO.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:41 pm
by trex_8063
HeartBreakKid wrote:Surprised Charles Barkley isn't a candidate.


I was going to comment the same thing. Am shocked it took until post #10 for anyone to even MENTION him.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:51 pm
by trex_8063
Owly wrote:
If Bobby Jones is a 4 (I tend to mentally categorize as a 3, don't know if that's justified) I'd mention him though that might be influenced by liking his game more generally (and of course while he went hard, asthma limited his minutes).


I suppose he's ok to mention, but not remotely in the running, imo.

He's got pretty good length......but not as good as Garnett, Giannis, Duncan, or probably Kemp either.

He's got excellent end-to-end speed.......but certainly no better than [or perhaps even as good as] KG, Giannis, or perhaps Kemp or Barkley either.

He was a good leaper, but not as much as Blake Griffin, Barkley, perhaps Kemp again (maybe others, too??).

Overall grace, body control, agility, hand/eye coordination, others.....idk, somewhere around the middle, or lower-middle, I would say.

In terms of motor/endurance, he's arguably the worst of all names mentioned thus far [due to his asthma].

In terms of strength/power, he's arguably the worst of all names mentioned thus far.


idk, this is my impression anyway. He's a very good athlete; just not an all-time tier, imo.


EDIT: Oh, and the answer [imho] is Giannis.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:47 pm
by henshao
this candle burned half as long, but you may argue it burned twice as bright:


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Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:15 pm
by mcraft
Tom Grover said Charles Barkley is the most athletic player he trained. Consider who he trained that is impressive if he’s not exaggerating.

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:33 pm
by DNice68
Larry Nance was a better athlete than everyone here including Giannis!


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Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:19 am
by SpreeS
DNice68 wrote:Larry Nance was a better athlete than everyone here including Giannis!





Not impressed

Re: Who's the most athletic PF of all time?

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:25 am
by DNice68
SpreeS wrote:
DNice68 wrote:Larry Nance was a better athlete than everyone here including Giannis!





Not impressed

6'10, mobile, fast, and getting his head at the square consistently. Don't make me show Giannis's horrible dunk contest! You were impressed with that?