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Who was better in Philly? Dr J or Moses Malone? And how big is the margin between them?

We have on/off data according to which Moses was an anchor of this '83 team, and Dr J in general is probably slightly overrated.

The Master wrote:We have on/off data according to which Moses was an anchor of this '83 team, and Dr J in general is probably slightly overrated.

Are you excluding Erving's years without Malone?

durantbird wrote:Are you excluding Erving's years without Malone?

I was referring to Erving in Sixers in general if that's what you're asking about, he had very mediocre on/off stats in like 8y span in Sixers in his prime with slightly positive numbers, obviously on its own it doesn't mean he was overrated, but it'd be hard to find a modern player with #5, #10, X, #2, #1, #3, #5, #6 MVP voting numbers, and ~3 net on/off in that span. He won MVP with -6,7 net in '81, that's a complete outlier.

If you're asking specifically about Sixers since '83, Moses by any metric was an anchor of '83 team, then even according to the basic metrics he went from 3.7 BPM/6.4 BPM (1983) to 0.8 BPM/1.5 BPM in RS/PS in the next seasons, and from what I recall his +- metrics backed up this trend.

I thinnk
83 Malone
77 Erving(his only truly great playoff run in Philly)
80 Erving
81 Erving
82 Erving

if we''re talking best seasons but not that much difference.

The Master wrote:If you're asking specifically about Sixers since '83, Moses by any metric was an anchor of '83 team, then even according to the basic metrics he went from 3.7 BPM/6.4 BPM (1983) to 0.8 BPM/1.5 BPM in RS/PS in the next seasons, and from what I recall his +- metrics backed up this trend.

Naah - I checked out and Moses was +15.6 in '83, +3.3 in '84, +21.7 in '85 and +7.2 in '86, so Sixers were much better with him on a court in RS even when he regressed individually.

Still, I would agree with @Cavsfansince84, but these are very good numbers for old Moses, and in '83 this is all-time great peak.

Cavsfansince84 wrote:I thinnk
83 Malone
77 Erving(his only truly great playoff run in Philly)
80 Erving
81 Erving
82 Erving

if we''re talking best seasons but not that much difference.

1980 is also quite great for Julius, 1982 is underrated.