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Which basketball action should be counted as a basic stat along the likes of points, rebounding, assists etc.
Reason being I believe the more basic stats are available to casual fans the more they may appreciate the little things that aren’t always on ball activities as some of the biggest way to help your team.

Deflections would be good.

You would think if someone is consistently getting a hand on the ball and disrupting offensive sets, it's less likely that they're just recklessly gambling for steals.

I'd like to see screens set and opponent FG%.

Passes leading to shooting fouls is another good one.

Lost man (defensively), when your man gets a step on you toward the basket, mark it down on the scoresheet.

penbeast0 wrote:Lost man (defensively), when your man gets a step on you toward the basket, mark it down on the scoresheet.

I like this one a lot. Would you mark it the same if you have a lazy transition defender?

penbeast0 wrote:Lost man (defensively), when your man gets a step on you toward the basket, mark it down on the scoresheet.

Too difficult to keep track of as a basic stat because it's often not straightforward to determine who is actually at fault.

Passes leading to free throws

falcolombardi wrote:Passes leading to free throws

I was first!

Assists to the corner and assists for layups/dunks would be a very interesring stat to have and shouldnt be too difficult to keep track of

The-Power wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:Lost man (defensively), when your man gets a step on you toward the basket, mark it down on the scoresheet.

Too difficult to keep track of as a basic stat because it's often not straightforward to determine who is actually at fault.

Not that much harder than an assist. And, if the scorekeeper decides that you should have been covering that transition player, then yes.

As for passes leading to FT's, a missed shot where you are fouled should be counted as a shot so that we can keep track of points per shot with FTs included. TS% just approximates this. Assists could be tracked the same way (passes leading to points).

Bklynborn682 wrote:Which basketball action should be counted as a basic stat along the likes of points, rebounding, assists etc.
Reason being I believe the more basic stats are available to casual fans the more they may appreciate the little things that aren’t always on ball activities as some of the biggest way to help your team.

Main box score? Charges drawn, since it’s the only one where you’re 100% ending a possession that isn’t tracked whatsoever

The other stuff should be and is tracked but it not being main box score makes sense to me

Charges drawn and steals should be fused into "turnovers forced"

penbeast0 wrote:

The-Power wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:Lost man (defensively), when your man gets a step on you toward the basket, mark it down on the scoresheet.

Too difficult to keep track of as a basic stat because it's often not straightforward to determine who is actually at fault.

Not that much harder than an assist. And, if the scorekeeper decides that you should have been covering that transition player, then yes.

Not really. With assists, there is a bit of judgement involved – sure. But not regarding the player, only regarding the action. To me that's quite different. I think basketball is too complex for scorekeepers to determine in real time who messed up a rotation or lost his man on defense. Sure, in the most egregious cases it's obvious but there is too much grey. imo, that's something to be done by professional analysts who watch the footage as is the case right now.

I like the idea to keep track of assists leading to FTs or generally assisted points a lot more. It's already done obviously, but it could be a basic stat without much effort because it's easy to keep track of in real time.

We need a good defensive boxscore stat, but it also needs to be simple to be able to be counted. I would use "close contests (CCs)".

HeartBreakKid wrote:Charges drawn and steals should be fused into "turnovers forced"

And call them "Rickys".

Similar to football, fumbles, their own stat, can be forced, their own stat, and can be lost or recovered, their own stats

I think picks set that lead either directly to points or wide open shot attempts may be a easy but valuable stat to track

Double teams drawn

My favorites have already been mentioned, so perhaps a stat emphasizing degree of difficulty on FGAs? Some guys just have poor shot-selection, but other times a player is tasked -- when the possession calls for it and in the absence of better options -- with the burden of creating and making what are objectively tough shots for the average NBA player. Could be formulated by tracking "bailout" FGAs late into the shotclock, and/or against multiple defenders within X amount of feet, and/or unassisted, and/or off pullups, turnarounds, fadeaways, runners, floaters, etc, or any other category that's shown to consistently result in lower percentage FGAs

Relative proficiency with these notoriously difficult shots adds a significant layer of scoring resilience that isn't really captured on paper by traditional PPG or FG/3P %s. If this stat were to exist then you could differentiate on your own between likely team-need and likely questionable shot-selection by adding context like team offensive build/performance and an individual's relative proportion of these attempts to total FGA (e.g. if you have competent offensive teammates yet still find yourself taking as many bad quality shots as good ones, you might have poor shot-selection). By tracking efficiency on these shots, you'd also get an idea of which players shouldn't be taking them, further identifying when poor shot-selection is probably at play

What y'all think about times you didn't run back on defense