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Those two players are quite different but have a lot in common. Both have really high basketball IQ, great passers, and great team players.

Who do you think have the higher impact in his prime?

Who is the generally better player?

Who would you choose from if they're both signed to the same draft?

I think Manu would be effective on any team, there's still a question on how well Dray, even the mid 2010's version of him, would fare outside of Golden State. Manu imo is the much safer bet.

Stan wrote:I think Manu would be effective on any team, there's still a question on how well Dray, even the mid 2010's version of him, would fare outside of Golden State. Manu imo is the much safer bet.

Is Draymond the only ATG defender whose value is questioned every single time? I can't think of any other that would be called a system player as often as him.

70sFan wrote:

Stan wrote:I think Manu would be effective on any team, there's still a question on how well Dray, even the mid 2010's version of him, would fare outside of Golden State. Manu imo is the much safer bet.

Is Draymond the only ATG defender whose value is questioned every single time? I can't think of any other that would be called a system player as often as him.

I think is his offense value outside the warriors systen that gets questioned here

That said you are onto somethingh here, it seems like even atg defenders are seen as frauds these days if they are not good on offense which is obviously bull and never applied the other way

falcolombardi wrote:

70sFan wrote:

Stan wrote:I think Manu would be effective on any team, there's still a question on how well Dray, even the mid 2010's version of him, would fare outside of Golden State. Manu imo is the much safer bet.

Is Draymond the only ATG defender whose value is questioned every single time? I can't think of any other that would be called a system player as often as him.

I think is his offense value outside the warriors systen that gets questioned here

That said you are onto somethingh here, it seems like even atg defenders are seen as frauds these days if they are not good on offense which is obviously bull and never applied the other way

Say if Draymond Green is playing for another team, like Utah Jazz for example, and he's being used the same way as Rudy Gobert (basically a red carpet defense on the perimeter and he has to put out multiple fires at once). I don't think he would have the same impact as Gobert and plus, he's not seen a guy who can finish around the basket on dump offs due to his lack of height/size. Furthermore, if he stands in the perimeter, there is not Steph Curry/Klay Thompson cutting around and create space for him; his 3 point attempts will be at least contested.

Draymond landed in the perfect spot possible. On defense, there's Klay Thompson, Andre Iguodala & Andrew Bogut (before getting KD). On offense, there's the splash brothers enabling him to create make passes with little to no pressure.

Wallace_Wallace wrote:

falcolombardi wrote:

70sFan wrote:Is Draymond the only ATG defender whose value is questioned every single time? I can't think of any other that would be called a system player as often as him.

I think is his offense value outside the warriors systen that gets questioned here

That said you are onto somethingh here, it seems like even atg defenders are seen as frauds these days if they are not good on offense which is obviously bull and never applied the other way

Say if Draymond Green is playing for another team, like Utah Jazz for example, and he's being used the same way as Rudy Gobert (basically a red carpet defense on the perimeter and he has to put out multiple fires at once). I don't think he would have the same impact as Gobert and plus, he's not seen a guy who can finish around the basket on dump offs due to his lack of height/size. Furthermore, if he stands in the perimeter, there is not Steph Curry/Klay Thompson cutting around and create space for him; his 3 point attempts will be at least contested.

Draymond landed in the perfect spot possible. On defense, there's Klay Thompson, Andre Iguodala & Andrew Bogut (before getting KD). On offense, there's the splash brothers enabling him to create make passes with little to no pressure.

Gobert could not play the role Draymond does on defense. Imagine a team putting him on Brunson or Jaylen Brown for a series. Defensive versatility remains underrated.

Offensively, Draymond is arguably the best in the league at passing in the short role, and high PNR has become the single defining play of this current era. I don't see why he coudn't succeed in that exact role on most teams. Pushing the ball in transition, screen setting, secondary passing - all skills that are very portable. Now he wouldn't play the same exact way he does in GSW on a different team, but that doesn't mean he couldn't still be extremely valuable

parsnips33 wrote:

Wallace_Wallace wrote:

falcolombardi wrote:
I think is his offense value outside the warriors systen that gets questioned here

That said you are onto somethingh here, it seems like even atg defenders are seen as frauds these days if they are not good on offense which is obviously bull and never applied the other way

Say if Draymond Green is playing for another team, like Utah Jazz for example, and he's being used the same way as Rudy Gobert (basically a red carpet defense on the perimeter and he has to put out multiple fires at once). I don't think he would have the same impact as Gobert and plus, he's not seen a guy who can finish around the basket on dump offs due to his lack of height/size. Furthermore, if he stands in the perimeter, there is not Steph Curry/Klay Thompson cutting around and create space for him; his 3 point attempts will be at least contested.

Draymond landed in the perfect spot possible. On defense, there's Klay Thompson, Andre Iguodala & Andrew Bogut (before getting KD). On offense, there's the splash brothers enabling him to create make passes with little to no pressure.

Gobert could not play the role Draymond does on defense. Imagine a team putting him on Brunson or Jaylen Brown for a series. Defensive versatility remains underrated.

Offensively, Draymond is arguably the best in the league at passing in the short role, and high PNR has become the single defining play of this current era. I don't see why he coudn't succeed in that exact role on most teams. Pushing the ball in transition, screen setting, secondary passing - all skills that are very portable. Now he wouldn't play the same exact way he does in GSW on a different team, but that doesn't mean he couldn't still be extremely valuable

Underrated...in 2022? I think you're projecting a bit. Versatility is the most common buzz word in basketball, and there are many fans that think that basically the only thing that matters now is the ability to switch on perimeter players.

Can you seriously say it's underrated in the same period where there are a considerable amount of people saying a dominant player like Gobert is useless strictly because he lacks versatility.

falcolombardi wrote:

70sFan wrote:

Stan wrote:I think Manu would be effective on any team, there's still a question on how well Dray, even the mid 2010's version of him, would fare outside of Golden State. Manu imo is the much safer bet.

Is Draymond the only ATG defender whose value is questioned every single time? I can't think of any other that would be called a system player as often as him.

I think is his offense value outside the warriors systen that gets questioned here

That said you are onto somethingh here, it seems like even atg defenders are seen as frauds these days if they are not good on offense which is obviously bull and never applied the other way

It does depend on the player. People never questioned Tony Allen's defense for example, even when he wasn't getting big minutes from his team. But I do think falcolombardi is correct, it's Draymond's offensive value in another system that is getting questioned, not his defense.

Different players but I always go with skill. Green can't be considered a batter player than Manu to me.

HeartBreakKid wrote:

parsnips33 wrote:

Wallace_Wallace wrote:
Say if Draymond Green is playing for another team, like Utah Jazz for example, and he's being used the same way as Rudy Gobert (basically a red carpet defense on the perimeter and he has to put out multiple fires at once). I don't think he would have the same impact as Gobert and plus, he's not seen a guy who can finish around the basket on dump offs due to his lack of height/size. Furthermore, if he stands in the perimeter, there is not Steph Curry/Klay Thompson cutting around and create space for him; his 3 point attempts will be at least contested.

Draymond landed in the perfect spot possible. On defense, there's Klay Thompson, Andre Iguodala & Andrew Bogut (before getting KD). On offense, there's the splash brothers enabling him to create make passes with little to no pressure.

Gobert could not play the role Draymond does on defense. Imagine a team putting him on Brunson or Jaylen Brown for a series. Defensive versatility remains underrated.

Offensively, Draymond is arguably the best in the league at passing in the short role, and high PNR has become the single defining play of this current era. I don't see why he coudn't succeed in that exact role on most teams. Pushing the ball in transition, screen setting, secondary passing - all skills that are very portable. Now he wouldn't play the same exact way he does in GSW on a different team, but that doesn't mean he couldn't still be extremely valuable

Underrated...in 2022? I think you're projecting a bit. Versatility is the most common buzz word in basketball, and there are many fans that think that basically the only thing that matters now is the ability to switch on perimeter players.

Can you seriously say it's underrated in the same period where there are a considerable amount of people saying a dominant player like Gobert is useless strictly because he lacks versatility.

Gobert has won 3 of the past 5 DPOY awards, think he's getting plenty of recognition

Plus a team just traded the farm for him

parsnips33 wrote:

HeartBreakKid wrote:

parsnips33 wrote:
Gobert could not play the role Draymond does on defense. Imagine a team putting him on Brunson or Jaylen Brown for a series. Defensive versatility remains underrated.

Offensively, Draymond is arguably the best in the league at passing in the short role, and high PNR has become the single defining play of this current era. I don't see why he coudn't succeed in that exact role on most teams. Pushing the ball in transition, screen setting, secondary passing - all skills that are very portable. Now he wouldn't play the same exact way he does in GSW on a different team, but that doesn't mean he couldn't still be extremely valuable

Underrated...in 2022? I think you're projecting a bit. Versatility is the most common buzz word in basketball, and there are many fans that think that basically the only thing that matters now is the ability to switch on perimeter players.

Can you seriously say it's underrated in the same period where there are a considerable amount of people saying a dominant player like Gobert is useless strictly because he lacks versatility.

Gobert has won 3 of the past 5 DPOY awards, think he's getting plenty of recognition

Plus a team just traded the farm for him

He meant undervalued by the public

falcolombardi wrote:

parsnips33 wrote:

HeartBreakKid wrote:

Underrated...in 2022? I think you're projecting a bit. Versatility is the most common buzz word in basketball, and there are many fans that think that basically the only thing that matters now is the ability to switch on perimeter players.

Can you seriously say it's underrated in the same period where there are a considerable amount of people saying a dominant player like Gobert is useless strictly because he lacks versatility.

Gobert has won 3 of the past 5 DPOY awards, think he's getting plenty of recognition

Plus a team just traded the farm for him

He meant undervalued by the public

Fair enough, I think defensive versatility is still underrated amongst NBA front offices and decision makers. I mean even the Warriors took James Wiseman #2 overall