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Greatest Peaks Project (2022): #50 - 1974-75 Rick Barry 

Post#1 » by LA Bird » Mon Nov 7, 2022 2:00 pm

RealGM Greatest Peaks List (2022)
1. 1990-91 Michael Jordan
2. 2012-13 LeBron James
3. 1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal
4. 1976-77 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5. 1966-67 Wilt Chamberlain
6. 2002-03 Tim Duncan
7. 1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon
8. 1963-64 Bill Russell
9. 1985-86 Larry Bird
10. 1986-87 Magic Johnson
11. 2016-17 Stephen Curry
12. 2003-04 Kevin Garnett
13. 2020-21 Giannis Antetokounmpo
14. 1963-64 Oscar Robertson
15. 1965-66 Jerry West
16. 2021-22 Nikola Jokic
17. 1976-77 Bill Walton
18. 2005-06 Dwyane Wade
19. 2007-08 Kobe Bryant
20. 1993-94 David Robinson
21. 2016-17 Kawhi Leonard
22. 1975-76 Julius Erving
23. 2010-11 Dirk Nowitzki
24. 2016-17 Kevin Durant
25. 1982-83 Moses Malone
26. 2019-20 Anthony Davis
27. 2006-07 Steve Nash
28. 2014-15 Chris Paul
29. 2018-19 James Harden
30. 1949-50 George Mikan
31. 1989-90 Charles Barkley
32. 1997-98 Karl Malone
33. 1989-90 Patrick Ewing
34. 2002-03 Tracy McGrady
35. 2010-11 Dwight Howard
36. 2021-22 Joel Embiid
37. 1957-58 Bob Pettit
38. 1994-95 Scottie Pippen
39. 1995-96 Penny Hardaway
40. 2015-16 Draymond Green
41. 1974-75 Artis Gilmore
42. 1973-74 Bob Lanier
43. 2016-17 Russell Westbrook
44. 1971-72 Walt Frazier
45. 1999-00 Alonzo Mourning
46. 1969-70 Willis Reed
47. 1960-61 Elgin Baylor
48. 1966-67 Nate Thurmond
49. 2021-22 Luka Doncic
50. 1974-75 Rick Barry

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Please vote for your 3 highest player peaks and at least one line of reasoning for each of them.

Vote example 1
1. 1991 Jordan: Explanation
2. 2013 LeBron: Explanation
3. 2000 Shaq: Explanation

In addition, you can also list other peak season candidates from those three players. This extra step is entirely optional

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Re: Greatest Peaks Project (2022): #50 - Final round 

Post#2 » by AEnigma » Mon Nov 7, 2022 3:31 pm

1. / #50 Dave Cowens a.) 1974 b.) 1973 c.) 1976
As we approach #50 and as distinctions between player evaluations become increasingly thin, I find myself wanting to reward the remaining “winners” to close out the project. Cowens was the best player on a top three SRS team every year from 1973-76, winning two titles in that stretch. In 1973 the Celtics did not win a title, but Cowens did win MVP and take the 1973 Knicks to a tight seven games even as Havlicek was hampered by injury. 1975 was probably his best individual regular season, but a disappointing playoff performance is enough for me to exclude it from my alternates with all four years being otherwise pretty comparable (his defence saw a gradual decline as his passing saw a gradual improvement).
Cort Reynolds wrote:He may not have been named MVP of the NBA Finals in 1974 or 1976, but undersized Hall of Fame Boston center Dave Cowens was the key force in winning both clinching games of those memorable championship series for the Celtics.

In the 1970's no one played harder for Boston, or anyone else for that matter, with apologies to Jerry Sloan, Norm Van Lier and Dave DeBusschere, than the fiery 6-8.5 redhead.

In game seven of the epic 1974 NBA Finals, the Celtics faced the tall task of beating Milwaukee on the road. Buck center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in his youthful prime and enjoyed nearly a six-inch height advantage - which was probably close to a foot when reach is included - over Cowens.



The Bucks had forced a seventh game by winning a double overtime classic in Boston just two days earlier, when Jabbar's long running baseline hook over Celtic backup center Hank Finkel gave Milwaukee a see-saw 102-101 victory.

Cowens had fouled out earlier in overtime, or the outcome may well have been different, with the Celtics likely celebrating title number 12 at home.

John Havlicek had traded baskets with the 7-2 Jabbar throughout the final extra session, scoring nine of his 36 points in the second OT, but Kareem got the last shot in.

Yet a hustling play by Cowens that came to epitomize his career happened late in that classic sixth contest. Dave switched off on a pick defensively to cover Robertson, then used his quick hands to poke the ball away from the Hall of Famer.

The speedy center then out-sprinted the 6-5 guard for the loose ball, which rolled into the backcourt. Cowens dove for the ball and slid with it near the sidelines while the loose leather bobbled in and out of his arms. Oscar trailed the play and never left his feet, almost in disbelief at the bigger man's reckless dive.

Cowens left a sweat streak about 10 feet long on the old Garden parquet, probably along with some skin. While the Bucks argued that he never had possession of the ball, the referees correctly ruled that the 24-second clock had nevertheless run out to give Boston the ball.

Not long after, Cowens fouled out with just 13 points on five of 19 shooting, and his absence contributed to the series-tying Buck win. Determined to redeem himself, the proud Celtic star came out firing in game seven.

Boston came up with a new strategy to aid Dave. The Boston braintrust decided to pressure the aging Robertson hard with defensive ace Don Chaney while he brought the ball upcourt.

And then once Milwaukee was into its halfcourt offense, coach Tom Heinsohn had Paul Silas, Havlicek and others also double down and help while Cowens fronted and battled Jabbar for position.

After he was told about the change in defensive strategy, Dave would relate years later in an interview that he felt like saying, "Yes! I am finally going to get some help on this guy."

After having the redhead go one-on-one for six games with the much bigger man who was the total focal point of their offense, Jabbar had averaged almost 34 points per game, so the Celtic brass felt it had to try something.

By not having to expend as much energy defending the 7-2 Jabbar alone, it seemed as if Cowens had been unchained and energized for the decisive contest.

On offense, the muscular Cowens used his superior speed and quickness to take the slower Jabbar out on the floor and drive by him, taking advantage of Kareem's relative lack of lateral quickness.

The high-leaping, aggressive Cowens won the opening jump over Jabbar and tapped it it to Havlicek, who fed a cutting Chaney perfectly for a layup that set an immediate, positive tone in the contest for the Celtics.

As time ran out in the first period, Dave bombed a 25-footer from the right side at the buzzer that went straight in to give Boston a 22-20 lead.

The Celtics lengthened the lead late in the half as their defense stymied Jabbar and Robertson. Dave triggered the vaunted Celtic fast break with a defensive rebound and airborne outlet pass that led to a 16-footer by Don Nelson.

Shortly afterward, Cowens nailed consecutive foul line jumpers that gave the visitors a 53-40 intermission edge. Their defensive strategy, cooked up between games six and seven by Celtic patriarch Red Auerbach, Heinsohn and the legendary Bob Cousy, was working almost to perfection.

Robertson, who had played for Cousy in Cincinnati before their falling out led to the Big O's trade to Milwaukee, was hounded into perhaps the worst playoff game of his career at a very inopportune time.

If nothing else, the all-court pressure put on by the quicker Celtics rushed the Bucks and took vital seconds off the shot clock, forcing hurried decisions and field goal tries. With veteran leader and playmaker Robertson flustered, the Buck offense floundered.

As a result, scoring machine Jabbar was amazingly held without a single point in the entire second stanza and for half of the third period. This was a major drought when one realizes that Kareem came into game seven averaging his number per outing in the 1974 playoffs (33).



At the other end, Boston closed the door with a clever bit of body control and quick reactions. Cowens missed a half hook in the lane that richocheted off Jabbar's hands to a nearly-prone Westphal, who was just getting up off the hardwood after being floored while setting a screen.

Paul then hung in the air as he looked to shoot a short jumper over the looming 7-2 Buck center. But at the last second, he double-clutched and instead tossed a beautifully improvised short alley-oop pass to Cowens past Jabbar. Dave caught the ball in the air on the right side of the lane and cleverly kissed it in off glass before Kareem could recover. That was the final nail in the Milwaukee coffin.



Havlicek, who enjoyed a great series, was named Finals MVP even though he tallied a modest 16 points on six of 20 shooting in the decisive contest.

His second fourth quarter three-point play on a foul line jumper as he was hit in the stomach capped a decisive 11-0 spurt that put the game well out of reach, 98-79.

But the game seven MVP was definitely Big Red. The final box score showed Cowens with game-high totals of 28 points and 14 rebounds, compared to 26 and 13 for Jabbar.

Yet the considerable numbers did not show his great intangible contribution, as well. Or how much energy the fiery redhead had supplied his team. Nor how his defense had helped Kareem wear down and fade. He sank just six of 11 free throws in the game and went scoreless for over a third of the game in the crucial middle section when Boston took command.

Or how Cowens had ignited the deadly Celtic transition game with his defensive rebounding and quick outlet bullets, often firing his passes in midair while coming down with the carom.



Due in large part to the scrambling defensive strategy of Boston, Jabbar only took 21 shots in the decisive seventh contest, six below his series average for attempts to that point.

He also converted only 10 field goals after making 14.5 baskets per contest over the first six games - well below his 54 percent shooting accuracy to that point in the title series.



The grueling style of play that the speedy 1970's Celtics employed, in concert with a short bench and going deep into the playoffs each year (and thus having shorter off-seasons), had started to take a toll on the club. Plus, team captain Havlicek and sixth man Don Nelson were each 36.

In 1976, a grizzled Boston squad fought its way to the Finals despite a foot injury to Havlicek. It was the 13th Celtic championship series appearance in 20 years, and the last before the Larry Bird era.



It was Cowens who took over and scored seven points in a clutch 9-4 Celtic spurt that clinched the crown.

Despite being plagued with five fouls, the redhead gambled and came up with the biggest play of the game. As Adams drove along the right side of the lane, Dave dangerously reached in and poked the ball away from the Rookie of the Year, lunging to tip the loose sphere away from Adams.

He then snatched up the loose ball and dribbled, or more accurately roared, 80 feet upcourt at top speed on a 2 on 1 fast break, a runaway red-headed center locomotive.

As he approached the basket, the Celtic center crossed over to the right side and gave a slight head fake to freeze defender Heard. Dave then laid in a twisting backhanded layup over his shoulder while being fouled. He cashed in the free throw to give Boston a 71-67 lead and a huge momentum swing.

After a Phoenix score, Dave sealed Adams outside the low block and took a perfectly timed top-side feed from Charlie Scott before converting a right-handed layin for a 73-69 advantage.

Cowens then forced a bad miss by Adams by hotly contesting his 15-footer. Adams later canned two foul shots to cut the lead back to two. Yet Havlicek swished a clutch 18-footer from the left wing to make it 75-71.

After a Westphal miss, Dave took an entry pass and spun quickly along the right baseline with his trademark move past Adams for a pretty layup. The pet move gave Boston a little breathing room with a 77-71 margin at the 3:29 mark.

White banked in a tough right side runner and added a free throw to stretch the lead to nine, and it was all over but the shouting as Boston ultimately held on to win, 87-80.

After the final buzzer sounded, a tired Cowens hugged retiring teammate Nelson as they strode off the court as champions for the last time. For Nellie, it was a satisfying fifth ring after being released by the Lakers over a decade earlier.

With White struggling and Hondo hurt, it was clearly the clutch late offensive burst from Cowens that capped banner number 13. His aggressive, all-out defense also led to a drought of over five minutes without a basket for the Suns down the stretch.

Even though Dave scored 21 points in the decisive win, paced the defense and led all players in rebounds during the series while averaging 20.5 ppg, teammate JoJo White (21.7 ppg) was named Finals MVP.

Yet in true Cowens fashion, Dave probably didn't care that much, as long as Boston won. He was simply about winning, an undersized center who won on great athleticism (strength, speed, quickness and jumping ability), high basketball intelligence, skill, and a burning desire as bright as his red mane.

"There is no player with greater desire than Dave Cowens," said CBS commentator and fiery Hall of Famer Rick Barry during the 1976 Finals.

A powerful leaper, Cowens frequently won jump balls against much taller centers like Jabbar and an older Chamberlain, and used great positioning to frustrate Kareem and occasionally block his shots as well by forcing him to turn back to his right shoulder, away from his patented hook.

Back then a center jump ball was held at the start of each quarter, and if that rule seems antiquated, consider that the original rules up through the 1930's required that there be a center jump after every basket. So each quarter jump ball could be a key extra possession gained.

As Havlicek, who played the first seven seasons of his career with the great Bill Russell and then his final eight with Cowens, the 1970-71 co-Rookie of the Year, once said - "no one ever did more for the Celtics than Dave Cowens."

In the post-game six locker room TV interviews with CBS, Havlicek reinforced this claim. "We were able to keep Dave on the floor (not foul out), and that made the difference," said Hondo.

Unfortunately, Dave's all-out style and annual deep playoff runs eventually contributed to his body breaking down by the time he reached his early 30's.



Heinsohn, who after the death of Red Auerbach assumed the mantel of Mr. Celtic after 50-plus years as star player, championship coach and team announcer, called his 1970's Boston teams "the quickest of all Celtic clubs."

As such he designed a revolutionary point center/forward type of up-tempo offense to take advantage of the extraordinary blend of skills, athleticism and desire of his speedy red-headed center and Havlicek, as well as the sharpshooting White.

Those Celtics did not have a true point guard. White, Chaney and Havlicek shared the ballhandling duties, while Cowens often directed the offense from the top of the key with his passing, driving and shooting ability.

Cowens’ Backpicks WOWYR scores are a bit underwhelming, but I was pretty impressed with what I saw from a similar type of raw win-loss analysis as I did with Thurmond.
1972: 54-25, 2-1
1973: 68-14
1974: 55-25, 1-1
1975: 51-14, 9-8
1976: 52-26, 2-2
1977: 29-21, 15-17
1978: 32-45, 0-5
1979: 27-41, 2-12
Overall: 368-211 with (52-win pace), 31-46 without (33-win pace)
And then even in 1980 he at least contributed to what would be the second-best regular season SRS team of Bird’s career.

So much historical love for the 1970s Knicks, and generally speaking quite a lot of historical love for Barry (even if in this particular project his voters have been trailed off), but never all too much for Cowens; maybe if Finals MVP voters had extended the same generosity to him as they twice did to Reed, he would see a little more of a consistent push.

2. / #51 Rick Barry (1975)
Barry and Erving were the two best wings in basketball up to Jordan’s entry onto the stage. Wing-play has evolved along with the game, but I am fine deferring to more of a legacy/accolade pick this late in the project.

3. / #52 Paul George (2019)
Comparable to Tatum and Butler in the postseason in my opinion, although from an “achievement” standpoint he falls a bit short. Not really confident in putting that all on him though. 2019 George on the 2020 Heat or the 2022 Celtics seems just as equipped for a Finals run, and to me he had the best regular season of the three (third in MVP, third in DPoY, first in on/off)

4. / #53 Jayson Tatum (2022)
5. / #54 Jimmy Butler (2020)

These two along with George are probably better in the absolute than Barry, but Barry’s passing is enough of an x-factor that I think you could still argue he provides more offensive value than all three while also having better accolades. Tatum outplayed Butler last postseason but made the mistake of continuing onto the Finals and hurting his own averages. Early returns on this season are also showing why in three years he will almost certainly end up being an easy inclusion into the next project. Butler has the most outstanding individual postseason games of the trio, and accordingly has received the most votes and support thus far, but I think his narrative benefits disproportionately from those outliers rather than from his expected performance level. Bam is easily the best secondary piece for all of these seasons and I think his contributions go too undersold when trying to put all credit to Butler.

6. / #55 Kevin McHale a.) 1987 b.) 1986
I see the other top contenders for this final spot seem to be Reggie, Dikembe, and McHale. Dikembe has the best postseason series and the strongest “impact” indicators in the regular season. Reggie has the most consistent postseason output and led the best team. However, McHale has the best abstract profile as an elite scorer and strong defender. Neither his offence nor his defence profiles as anything at an “all-time” level the way you could argue for Dikembe and Reggie, but he is the only one of these three to have a strong case as a top five player in the league. Pair that with the 1980s being generally quite lightly represented, and I am comfortable with this vote and with him as a potential top 50 inclusion.
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Post#3 » by falcolombardi » Mon Nov 7, 2022 3:52 pm

My temptative picks

1- 1994 dikembe mutombo

Being Arguably the best rim protector and most impactful overall defender in a league with hakeem and robinson is a hell of an achievement. Imcredible impact data too and his rim protection in the playoffs is somethingh out of 60's russel

Probably the best pure rim protecting center left (as in star defensive big who doesnt add much value offensively or defending in the perimeter, albeit his finishing and offensive rebounding may make him a moderate additive plus in all eras even if he is not a good passer) but what he did in the paint is historical enough for me here.

2- 2020 butler (2022)

I have came to apreciate 2020 miami butler a bit more in rewatch, his defensive effort seems better (maybe by having a lower load offensively) than 2022 and he shows the ability to score as 2022 butler did when the situation arises for it

Great creation, strong scoring, low turnovers and good defense and intangibles is a hell of a overall package.

3-2005 ginobili

I dont know how much i may be underating him for the low minutes when his overall impact is still so high but i feel like the advantage of playing heavy minutes against bench units snd having fresher legs benefitted in comparision to guys like butler or reggie who were the focal point of opposing defenses full time

That is about the only negative thingh i cam say of peak manu and even that is one i am not sure of. Just a impressively efficient scorer with great creativity and passing who was a nice defender to boot. Could be argued even higher on pure ability

4-1995 reggie miller (1994)

Defense dissapointed me a bit but i also may be overreacting to it too. His offense is an about as good as it gets case for a player who doesn handle the ball or create much off passinh

Impressive scoring, easy to fit into any team, great team offense results and his gravity created some opportunities for teammates that dont show in the boxscore (if not as many as more on ball creators)
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Post#4 » by Samurai » Mon Nov 7, 2022 7:52 pm

1. Connie Hawkins 1968. Another great season from yesteryear that if too often overlooked today. Yes, era strength is a legit concern, probably as much or more than it was for Mikan. But if not for era strength, I would have put Hawkins in before now so its a question of how much we want to continue penalizing him for it. Led the league in scoring at 26.8 ppg while playing nearly 45 minutes/game. Also led the league in PER, OWS, WS, WS/48, and TS% and finished second in rebounds/game, third in assists/game and even fourth in DWS. Was league MVP, won a ring and picked up the Playoffs MVP as well.

2. Dave Cowens 1973 (alternate 76, 74). Gotta admit that a big part of this is I was just a big fan of his game. Incredible motor who just ran with an all-out pedal-to-the medal style every minute he was on the court. Outstanding rebounder (particularly on the defensive glass), could hit the midrange jumper enough to force opposing bigs away from the paint, and a very effective lefty hook in the low post despite not being the tallest center around. While not a shot-blocker due to short arms, he was a very good defensive player in all other aspects.

3. Rick Barry 1975. As a Warriors fan, I've obviously seen Barry play a lot. And I've never been a fan, largely because of his demeanor. When he was upset, which happened pretty frequently, he would pout on the court unlike anyone I've ever seen past the 6th grade. Literally pout - just stand there and be completely disengaged from the game. Throw the ball to him and he'd just immediately throw it back to you as if he were disgusted that you tried to include him in the game. At that point, Attles had no choice but to sub him out since he would just be playing 4 on 5. I was disgusted that a professional would act that way. But when he was engaged, he was a tremendous player and that's what I'm basing this on. Outstanding shooter and scorer and the best passing forward in the game until Bird came along. Not much on the offensive glass but a solid defensive rebounder for a 3. He was also an underrated defender. True, he didn't like overly physical play and he could be taken advantage of if a bigger guy went at him down low. But he was a decent man defender on the wing, particularly earlier in his career before he lost a step in quickness and was an excellent help defender, leading the league in steals and being an overall defensive pest.
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Post#5 » by trelos6 » Tue Nov 8, 2022 12:07 am

50. Grant Hill 96-97. Pre injury Grant was a beast. Shame we never got to see his full potential. 23.2 pp75 on +2 rTS% with 3.5 O-PIPM and 1.7 D-PIPM. This is the only season I’d have above Reggie Miller.

51. Reggie Miller 93-94. A gravity unrivalled until Steph came into the league. His ability to space the floor for teammates and ramp up his scoring in the post season is why he's here. One of the most portable players of all time and a big ceiling raiser. 23 pp75 at +10.8 rTS%. Had about 9 seasons similar, so they’re all pretty close.


52: Manu Ginobili 04-05 > 06-07, 10-11. 21.9 pp75 @ +8 rTS%. +7.1 PIPM (4.4 OPIPM, 2.7 DPIPM). Amazing season, and fantastic playoffs.

53. Bob McAdoo 1974-75. 26.7 pp75 @ + 6.7% rTS. +4.6 PIPM (4.1 OPIPM, 0,5 DPIPM). NBA MVP.

54. Paul George 18-19. 26.6 pp75 @ + 2.6% rTS. +6.1 PIPM (3.9 OPIPM, 2.2 DPIPM). 3rd in MVP.

55. Paul Pierce 01-02. 25.3 pp75 @ + 5.0% rTS. + 5.2 PIPM (3.3 OPIPM, 1.9 DPIPM).
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Post#6 » by trex_8063 » Tue Nov 8, 2022 6:04 pm

1st ballot: '22 Jimmy Butler (> '20) decided I need to put him in here.
Very comparable to Pippen, imo. I think you can make a case he's marginally better, in fact (though health/availability is a consideration). So given Pippen went in over 10 places ago.....


2nd: '86 Kevin McHale
Strictly in term of volume and shooting efficiency, this is one of the greatest individual scoring seasons of all-time. It seems he was pretty good defensively, too. Oh, and it was for an all-time tier championship team.


3rd: '75 Bob McAdoo
Another outstanding scorer, who can set his own table and stretches the floor. Not bad defensively, imo.


4th: '68 Connie Hawkins
5th: '06 Elton Brand
6th: '14 Kevin Love
7th: '92 Clyde Drexler
8th: '94 Reggie Miller [>'95, other seasons kinda close]
9th: '89 John Stockton ['88, '90, others close]
10th: '75 Rick Barry
11th: '22 Rudy Gobert [>'21, '19]

.....something like that. They're all so bloody close at this point.
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Re: Greatest Peaks Project (2022): #50 - Final round 

Post#7 » by AEnigma » Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:17 am

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Final call! :uhoh:
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Post#8 » by falcolombardi » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:01 am

This is the last thread i think we could easily make the voting period a bit longer
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Post#9 » by 70sFan » Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:10 am

Please, make it longer. I will vote today, but I need more time.
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Post#10 » by CharityStripe34 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:02 pm

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1. Rick Barry (1975): Someone who definitely gets lost in all-time discussions, mostly because he made a big impact coming into the league in the mid-late 60's, but then went to the ABA for a few seasons. Only then to return to the NBA and, thanks to his awesome season, took the Warriors as a massive underdog to the Finals against a really good Bullets team and demolished them in a sweep. 30-6-5 on 46% shooting and considering he did much of his damage shooting dribble pull-ups that's pretty damn good, in my eyes. He had better post-season stats in 1967, but 28-6-6 with 3 steals is nothing to sneeze at (12.7 WS). Yeah, he had a girly FT shooting motion, but led basketball multiple times with above 90% from the stripe.

Honorable mention: 1967, 1969

2. Bob McAdoo (1975): His MVP season where he averaged a cool 35 pts and 14 rbs a game, while getting to the stripe nearly 10x per game and shooting 80%. Also averaged a couple of blocks a game. Then he dragged a Braves team to the post-season that same year and put up 37(!)pts and 13 rbs per game, with nearly three blocks. His shooting percentages dipped a bit but that generalizes even with the all-time greats, as he shot around 4 more attempts per game. A versatile big who was maybe the first of his kind as a "stretch" big, shooting from distance.

Honorable mention: 1974, 1976

3. Sidney Moncrief (1983): Probably a very controversial pick over someone like Reggie Miller, who has huge shooting bona fides that could be plucked from, say 1994 into today's game, but that's not what I'm really considering. Moncrief was 5x All-NBA and 5x All-Defensive in an incredibly talent-laden era, being a two-time DPOY as well. From 82-86 he was a 20-6-4 guard with elite defensive chops for a very gritty, tough Bucks team that just ran into the Sixers and then Celtics. 1983 was his best statistical RS in the regular and advanced stats even though in 84 & 85 he was slightly better in the playoffs. I would not hold it against anyone if they felt Miller's awesome playoff runs in 94-95 (his peak) puts him over Moncrief. Call it a homer pick, but I'll take Moncrief's two-way excellence.

Honorable mention: 1982, 1984
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Post#11 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:00 pm

1974-75 Rick Barry (HM: 1966-67) Time for Barry to get his flowers. One of the last elite single season carry-jobs I have on my list. The '75 Warriors were probably a low-level contender in any other season, but Barry's heliocentrism worked really well with that roster surrounded by good defensive players, lifting them to the #2 offense with their next best offensive player being.....a rookie Jamaal Wilkes? Not much if any postseason regression (30/6/5/3 on 51% TS vs. 28/6/5/3 on 50% TS) combined with beating a very good Bullets squad in the Finals (60-win, 6.5 SRS) as their clear best/most impactful player. Would love to have some lineup data of prime Barry to really confirm how good of an offensive ceiling guy he was. Criticisms and reasons for him not being higher should be pretty obvious. His career efficiency (52.5% TS on volume) is heavily buoyed by his early-ABA seasons where I have serious competition concerns. And his personality/attitude issues, well.....let's just say for anyone who knows NBA history, those are pretty well documented at this point, and their subsequent affects on locker room chemistry.

1982-83 Sidney Moncrief (HM: 1984-85) Went with Sid's best RS over his best PS. Incredibly underrated and oft forgotten two-way season in which he was historically outlier level efficient (22.5 PPG on 60% TS) as well as being the best perimeter defender in the league by a country mile. I have Squid, Jordan, and Kawhi as the only ever non-big defenders worthy of their DPOTY awards. Ran up against the dominant Fo-Fo-Fo Sixers in the playoffs which was just a stroke of bad luck. Otherwise that Bucks team might have screwed around and won a championship (they swept the Celtics in the 1st round) with him being their clear best player.

1996-97 Grant Hill (HM: 1998-99) Shame we never got to see more of prime Grant. Looking at that '97 Pistons roster and it's pretty unreal how he was able to drag them to the 5th best offense in the league considering the personnel (33-year old Dumars, Lindsey Hunter, Otis Thorpe). His game was very reminiscent of what Luka's doing with the current Mavs. 21/9/7 on nearly +3 rTS efficiency, and generating a free throw rate over .500 (Luka currently at .469). Slower pace 90's ball throttled his scoring numbers down, but imagine him in current pace & space offenses and I could easily see him being a 28/9/9 guy on plus efficiency. He was that damn good.
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Post#12 » by 70sFan » Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:56 pm

1. 1993/94 Dikembe Mutombo HM: 1996/97

I decided to pick younger, more mobile version of Mutombo who absolutely dominated the opposing offenses in the playoffs. He was as close to a one-man defensive army as it is possible in that run. He averaged staggering 9.3 BLK% in the playoffs in almost 43 mpg, which is nothing short of incredible. All of that came without excessive gambling, he was a very fundamentally sound rim protector.

I don't love his offensive game, but he was a solid finisher and excellent offensive rebounder. He could also draw many fouls and although his FT% is quite poor, it's not to the level of hurting his team.

I have a tough time picking Dikembe/Thurmond over the next offensive superstars (Doncic, Baylor, Barry), but I think more with time that top tier defensive anchors are significantly underappreciated. I mean, Nuggets were one game away from playing the WCF, even though Mutombo had no star around him and they had to face two contender-level teams in both rounds. Dikembe had no strong defenders around him and even though Nuggets were offensive oriented, they weren't that good on that end either. I doubt Doncic would get further with equally talented team.

2. 1985/86 Kevin McHale HM: 1986/87, 1987/88

I think people don't realize how important McHale was to these Celtics teams. McHale might be the most underrated scorer ever - he never reached the volume of top tier first options, but he was the type of player you just can't gameplan against - he would always get his typical 22-24 ppg on +10 rTS%.

Unlike most finishers, McHale wasn't really reliant on playmakers - yeah, you have to give him the ball inside, but you don't need Magic Johnson for that... or even Larry Bird. In 1989 without Larry, McHale still posted 23 pp75 on +7.1 rTS%. Kevin didn't specialize on finishing high efficiency actions either, he mostly used his absurd shooting touch to finish low post attempts and deep catches. He was always very quick with his decisions and didn't waste much time when he got the ball. Despite having a reputation of a black hole, McHale relied on a few perfected moves to score quickly off the catch - turnaround jumpshot, right-handed hook, quick up and under. Seriously, McHale is probably the most fundamentally sound post player I have ever seen (at least among bigs) when you take into account the way he worked without the ball to establish position. You can't get any better than that.

I picked 1986 version, because I prefer his defense when he was younger and quicker. 1987 would a clear choice without the PS injury though, he was a legit MVP-level player in the RS in my opinion.

3. 1974/75 Rick Barry

One of the most creative and skilled passers ever at his position. Barry brings up very rare combination of elite court vision and shooting skills and most of the players that were top tier in both aspects are already in. I don't view Rick as top tier shooter, but he definitely had a lot of value as an off-ball threat who was willing to take any kind of shot.

I don't love his shooting selection, as he wasn't huge inside threat at this point, but he still did more on offense than his opponents at this point (Butler, PG, Hondo). I don't view him as even close to elite defender, but his excessive gambling had a positive impact under Attles style, so I do not hold it against him either.

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Post#13 » by AEnigma » Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:04 pm

Alright, that should clinch it for Barry.
Nice sendoff to the project, with the last remaining RealGM PotY from the past sixty years (although this bloc seemingly would have given that to Gilmore).

Era 1: 1955-69 — 7 (Wilt, Russell, Oscar, West, Pettit, Baylor, Thurmond)
Era 2: 1970-84 — 9 (Kareem, Walton, Erving, Moses, Gilmore, Lanier, Frazier, Reed, Barry)
Other options: Cowens, McAdoo, Hawkins, Moncrief, King, Marques, Gervin…
Era 3: 1985-99 — 10 (Jordan, Hakeem, Bird, Magic, Robinson, Malone, Ewing, Barkley, Pippen, Penny)
Other options: McHale, Isiah, Reggie, Drexler, Hill, Dikembe, Dominique?, KJ?, Price?, Payton?…
Era 4: 2000-2014 — 11 (Lebron, Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Nash, McGrady, Howard, Mourning)
Other options: Pierce, Manu, Kidd, DWill, Roy, Rose, Rasheed?, Baron?, Carter?, RAllen?, Brand?, Love?, Iverson?, Billups?…
Era 5: 2015-now — 12 (Steph, Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi, Durant, Davis, Paul, Harden, Embiid, Draymond, Westbrook, Luka)
Other options: Butler, George, Tatum, Lillard?, Gobert?

Strong modern skew (which as I have said ultimately makes sense to me with an improving league), but generally a pretty reasonable distribution over time. Well done.
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Re: Greatest Peaks Project (2022): #50 

Post#14 » by LA Bird » Sat Nov 12, 2022 4:25 pm

Here are the results for round 50

Winner: 75 Barry

There were 8 voters in this round: AEnigma, falcolombardi, Samurai, trelos6, trex_8063, CharityStripe34, Ron Swanson, 70sFan

A total of 40 seasons received at least 1 vote: 02 Pierce, 05 Ginobili, 06 Brand, 07 Ginobili, 11 Ginobili, 14 Love, 19 George, 19 Gobert, 20 Butler, 21 Gobert, 22 Butler, 22 Gobert, 22 Tatum, 67 Barry, 68 Hawkins, 69 Barry, 73 Cowens, 74 Cowens, 74 McAdoo, 75 Barry, 75 McAdoo, 76 Cowens, 76 McAdoo, 82 Moncrief, 83 Moncrief, 84 Moncrief, 85 Moncrief, 86 McHale, 87 McHale, 88 McHale, 88 Stockton, 89 Stockton, 90 Stockton, 92 Drexler, 94 Miller, 94 Mutombo, 95 Miller, 97 Hill, 97 Mutombo, 99 Hill

Top 10 seasons: 75 Barry, 20 Butler, 75 McAdoo, 94 Mutombo, 94 Miller, 22 Butler, 67 Barry, 73 Cowens, 74 Cowens, 86 McHale

H2H record (1 season per player)
75 Barry: 0.683 (28-13)
20 Butler: 0.536 (15-13)
75 McAdoo: 0.467 (14-16)
94 Miller: 0.448 (13-16)
94 Mutombo: 0.444 (12-15)
73 Cowens: 0.429 (12-16)
86 McHale: 0.400 (10-15)
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Post#15 » by Samurai » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:05 pm

AEnigma wrote:Alright, that should clinch it for Barry.
Nice sendoff to the project, with the last remaining RealGM PotY from the past sixty years (although this bloc seemingly would have given that to Gilmore).

Era 1: 1955-69 — 7 (Wilt, Russell, Oscar, West, Pettit, Baylor, Thurmond)
Era 2: 1970-84 — 9 (Kareem, Walton, Erving, Moses, Gilmore, Lanier, Frazier, Reed, Barry)
Other options: Cowens, McAdoo, Hawkins, Moncrief, King, Marques, Gervin…
Era 3: 1985-99 — 10 (Jordan, Hakeem, Bird, Magic, Robinson, Malone, Ewing, Barkley, Pippen, Penny)
Other options: McHale, Isiah, Reggie, Drexler, Hill, Dikembe, Dominique?, KJ?, Price?, Payton?…
Era 4: 2000-2014 — 11 (Lebron, Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Nash, McGrady, Howard, Mourning)
Other options: Pierce, Manu, Kidd, DWill, Roy, Rose, Rasheed?, Baron?, Carter?, RAllen?, Brand?, Love?, Iverson?, Billups?…
Era 5: 2015-now — 12 (Steph, Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi, Durant, Davis, Paul, Harden, Embiid, Draymond, Westbrook, Luka)
Other options: Butler, George, Tatum, Lillard?, Gobert?

Strong modern skew (which as I have said ultimately makes sense to me with an improving league), but generally a pretty reasonable distribution over time. Well done.

Era 1 should be the pre-shot clock era with 1 person voted in: Mikan. That would be by far the smallest list of PotY winners.
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Re: Greatest Peaks Project (2022): #50 - 1974-75 Rick Barry 

Post#16 » by AEnigma » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:08 pm

It is era zero, and for good reason. I stand by preferring it be excluded entirely from these projects, as in 2015.
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