List of 7 footers as mobile as Wiseman that failed to become starter quality players

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

List of 7 footers as mobile as Wiseman that failed to become starter quality players


Jawan Oldham is the only guy I can think of.
Was there anybody else.

[prolific passer]

Brad Sellers

[trex_8063]

Maybe doesn't exactly hit the topic, but this seems like an OK spot to bring up Walter Dukes.

He played between the mid-50s and the early/mid-60s [you know, against "midget white guys"], while being 7'0", pretty mobile [from an exceedingly small bit of highlight footage I've seen] (and was black, fwiw). He only only had about 2-3 seasons where he was a true starter-level player.
Which should be food for thought for those that adhere to the "midget white guys" view of that era.

[eminence]

Willie Cauley-Stein was only a low level starter at his best and is a contender for the most mobile 7 footer I've ever seen.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Willie Cauley-Stein was only a low level starter at his best and is a contender for the most mobile 7 footer I've ever seen.

I don’t think Willie Caulie Stein was as mobile as Oldham and Wiseman.
Willie was a marginal starter because he played like a stoner.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Maybe doesn't exactly hit the topic, but this seems like an OK spot to bring up Walter Dukes.

He played between the mid-50s and the early/mid-60s [you know, against "midget white guys"], while being 7'0", pretty mobile [from an exceedingly small bit of highlight footage I've seen] (and was black, fwiw). He only only had about 2-3 seasons where he was a true starter-level player.
Which should be food for thought for those that adhere to the "midget white guys" view of that era.

Maybe Walter Dukes might not be a starter in the current era but he was a starter in his era.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Brad Sellers

Good one.

Brad Sellers was the 9th pick in the first round.
Other mobile big me like Stromile Swift and Benoit Benjamin got drafted higher than that.
The NBA knew something was wrong with Sellers.
I don’t really understand what was wrong with Sellers but I could see that he was not getting much done.

If Sellers had been good it would have made the Jordan Bulls better.
That Draft Sellers was in was a weak draft but the Bulls could have taken Johny Dawkins who went 10 or John Salley who went 11 but the best pkayer I see available was Mark Price who was the first pick in the 2nd round.

[migya]

Important is that many bigs take time to develop. Wiseman might be very good in two years.

[prolific passer]

Important is that many bigs take time to develop. Wiseman might be very good in two years.

If he stays healthy.

[prolific passer]

Brad Sellers

Good one.

Brad Sellers was the 9th pick in the first round.
Other mobile big me like Stromile Swift and Benoit Benjamin got drafted higher than that.
The NBA knew something was wrong with Sellers.
I don’t really understand what was wrong with Sellers but I could see that he was not getting much done.

If Sellers had been good it would have made the Jordan Bulls better.
That Draft Sellers was in was a weak draft but the Bulls could have taken Johny Dawkins who went 10 or John Salley who went 11 but the best pkayer I see available was Mark Price who was the first pick in the 2nd round.

Jordan wanted Dawkins but Krause drafted Sellers instead and passed up on Rodman, Salley, Mark Price and probably some other options that ended up being better than good old Brad.

Krause passed up on a lot of good talents in his drafts outside of 87.

[prolific passer]

Maybe doesn't exactly hit the topic, but this seems like an OK spot to bring up Walter Dukes.

He played between the mid-50s and the early/mid-60s [you know, against "midget white guys"], while being 7'0", pretty mobile [from an exceedingly small bit of highlight footage I've seen] (and was black, fwiw). He only only had about 2-3 seasons where he was a true starter-level player.
Which should be food for thought for those that adhere to the "midget white guys" view of that era.

Maybe Walter Dukes might not be a starter in the current era but he was a starter in his era.

Dukes was solid in his day. Short career because he was drafted when he was 25. Would have been really good alongside a good offensive minded power forward like Pettit. He would have been a Bill Russell type without the supreme athleticism.

[Dr Positivity]

Bebe Nogueira could have made it but he didn't have that dog in him

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Bebe Nogueira could have made it but he didn't have that dog in him

I see that he played for the Raptors. I never saw him or heard of him.

[Statlanta]

How exactly do you measure mobility? Do you use combine numbers?

[Dr Positivity]

Bebe Nogueira could have made it but he didn't have that dog in him

I see that he played for the Raptors. I never saw him or heard of him.

Finesse center that had low minute great advanced stats for us for a few years but only showed up mentally once every few weeks, peaking in a desperate Casey putting him in one of the Lebronto series, him getting -18 in 2 minutes, and then never being seen in the NBA again. If you rate as Wiseman as more mobile than WCS he probably doesn't fit your OP question though.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Bebe Nogueira could have made it but he didn't have that dog in him

I see that he played for the Raptors. I never saw him or heard of him.

Finesse center that had low minute great advanced stats for us for a few years but only showed up mentally once every few weeks, peaking in a desperate Casey putting him in one of the Lebronto series, him getting -18 in 2 minutes, and then never being seen in the NBA again. If you rate as Wiseman as more mobile than WCJ he probably doesn't fit your OP question though.

I function in a Warrior-centric world. I did not have a clear image of who Willie Caulley Stein waa for the Kings but I have a clear image of who WCS was for the Warriors. Wiseman is more mobile than Warriors WCS but not by a hole lot.

I think Wiseman has Jaren Jackson mobility but not as refined as Jaren Jackson. Wiseman has the speed and athleticism but looks a bit clumsy at times like he has not grown into his body. I have Jaren Jackson with Robert Williams both below David Robinson mobility but above Willie Cauli Stein. i have Wiseman with Jaren Jackson and Robert Williams for raw mobility but clumsier and not knowing what to do and not metally figuring out how to react to other players. Wiseman needs experience.

[Owly]

Brad Sellers

Good one.

Brad Sellers was the 9th pick in the first round.
Other mobile big me like Stromile Swift and Benoit Benjamin got drafted higher than that.
The NBA knew something was wrong with Sellers.
I don’t really understand what was wrong with Sellers but I could see that he was not getting much done.

If Sellers had been good it would have made the Jordan Bulls better.
That Draft Sellers was in was a weak draft but the Bulls could have taken Johny Dawkins who went 10 or John Salley who went 11 but the best pkayer I see available was Mark Price who was the first pick in the 2nd round.

Jordan wanted Dawkins but Krause drafted Sellers instead and passed up on Rodman, Salley, Mark Price and probably some other options that ended up being better than good old Brad.

Krause passed up on a lot of good talents in his drafts outside of 87.

I think there should tend to be the preface "X said .... long after the fact". And whilst Sellers did indeed ultimately fail (a generous angle might note his rookie box is comparable to, arguably better than depending on choice of metric, Pippen's) it didn't really matter to the Bulls as they flipped him for the Armstrong pick, a better fit with MJ and healthier than Dawkins.

Salley as an option is legitimate. Rodman and Price were second round picks. You could kill every GM for passing on those two, Sabonis, Hornacek, McMillan, Drazen, Newman, Duckworth, Otis Smith... or we can accept that (a) drafting is not an exact science, (b) resources/tools for player assessment were more limited back then and/or (c) nobody with enough stroke to get something done felt any of those were worth using their first round pick on.

Krause was better in the trade market flipping non-useful players to build up that pick pool. But the results weren't bad in building the original dynasty. Pippen, Grant and Kukoc were all pretty big hits. King was a flop (at 6, though iiirc, he was a consensus-y pick there felt to have dropped even to get to them and the immediate following picks aren't much better, and like Sellers was flipped into a useful piece, Longley). Williams might count as a find if you count him as draft equivalent. Other 1sts produced solid players Oakley (functionally picked by them), Armstrong, Perdue Later, in the 90s, at the back of the first round, trying add stuff to an established team he couldn't get much to stick.

In retrospect everyone ever "passed up" on a lot of good talent. That's the way it goes if you get one pick ant the field gets, say, 40. That probably isn't a fair measuring stick though.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Good one.

Brad Sellers was the 9th pick in the first round.
Other mobile big me like Stromile Swift and Benoit Benjamin got drafted higher than that.
The NBA knew something was wrong with Sellers.
I don’t really understand what was wrong with Sellers but I could see that he was not getting much done.

If Sellers had been good it would have made the Jordan Bulls better.
That Draft Sellers was in was a weak draft but the Bulls could have taken Johny Dawkins who went 10 or John Salley who went 11 but the best pkayer I see available was Mark Price who was the first pick in the 2nd round.

Jordan wanted Dawkins but Krause drafted Sellers instead and passed up on Rodman, Salley, Mark Price and probably some other options that ended up being better than good old Brad.

Krause passed up on a lot of good talents in his drafts outside of 87.

I think there should tend to be the preface "X said .... long after the fact". And whilst Sellers did indeed ultimately fail (a generous angle might note his rookie box is comparable to, arguably better than depending on choice of metric, Pippen's) it didn't really matter to the Bulls as they flipped him for the Armstrong pick, a better fit with MJ and healthier than Dawkins.

Salley as an option is legitimate. Rodman and Price were second round picks. You could kill every GM for passing on those two, Sabonis, Hornacek, McMillan, Drazen, Newman, Duckworth, Otis Smith... or we can accept that (a) drafting is not an exact science, (b) resources/tools for player assessment were more limited back then and/or (c) nobody with enough stroke to get something done felt any of those were worth using their first round pick on.

Krause was better in the trade market flipping non-useful players to build up that pick pool. But the results weren't bad in building the original dynasty. Pippen, Grant and Kukoc were all pretty big hits. King was a flop (at 6, though iiirc, he was a consensus-y pick there felt to have dropped even to get to them and the immediate following picks aren't much better, and like Sellers was flipped into a useful piece, Longley). Williams might count as a find if you count him as draft equivalent. Other 1sts produced solid players Oakley (functionally picked by them), Armstrong, Perdue Later, in the 90s, at the back of the first round, trying add stuff to an established team he couldn't get much to stick.

In retrospect everyone ever "passed up" on a lot of good talent. That's the way it goes if you get one pick ant the field gets, say, 40. That probably isn't a fair measuring stick though.

I think Dawkins was a better player than Armstrong until injuries hit. When Sellers was drafted it was not known yet that Jordan fit better with shooting point guards than with playmaking point guards. Without Pippen playmaking from a point guard would have had some value for Jordan. Dawkins was not a spot up shooter like Hodges, Paxson, Armstrong and Kerr. Dawkins was not particularly a playmaker. Dawkins was a scorer.

[Buckets22]

Young Darko, Magic Randolph.

[Warriors Analyst]

Willie Cauley-Stein was only a low level starter at his best and is a contender for the most mobile 7 footer I've ever seen.

There's an irony to WCS being part of this discussion. His motor was frustrating to watch and he clearly wasn't an IQ fit for Kerr's system, but his rim protection numbers were elite in his brief Warriors' stint.