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Deron Williams/KG

Derrick Rose/Giannis

Chris Paul/Karl Malone

All Peaks

I think Drose/Giannis is just last, no disrespect to them. Their shooting is a problem compared to the other duos, tough call between the other two duos but pick Williams/KG. On paper it seems like Paul/Malone, but I just can’t shake this feeling that Paul is either going to get injured or his team have this crazy collapse and lose a winnable series.

Williams KG for me. Not only do I view Garnett as the best PF option out of the three players, but I think he’s considerably less redundant than a pairing of Giannis/Rose and CP3/Malone (although Stockton Malone was a great duo for their time, so I’m curious what it would be like replacing one with a considerably better variant).

Williams is one of the more under heralded playmakers all time peaking in an era with Wade LBJ Kobe Nash CP3, but that would be a great shout for a player that could get KG into a secondary creator role and get more of his passing within the flow of an offense - like a super revved up Bill Walton - while setting him up more in PnR/PnP action. Assuming all else roster wise is held equal and this is a modern day roster, I’m highest on KG’s defense from the three and think that is important

CP3/Malone. Much better PG than the others, Malone is possibly the worst peak of the three in this pool, but the gap ain't big so it's still a honest pick in this pool.

What exactly is Deron Williams peak? I assume 2009/10 with a second round exit as the 2nd seed? I also think Rose is fairly overrated and he wasn't a top 5 player by the time of his MVP season, that was purely emotional.

While I agree that the Deron and CP3 pairings would likely be the best to build a team around, Rose and Giannis have higher individual peaks than the others.

This is close between 08 or 09 cp3 (offensive peak)+ 94(?) Karl Malone and 10 Deron Williams + 04 KG

CP3 + Karl Malone gives you an all time roll man and initiator with an all time mid range shot and an elite 3 ball AND an elite post scorer. Really nothing he can’t do offensively while being an elite defender when you add Malone’s post defense and rim protection with CP3’s lateral quickness and help d/communication.

DWill + KG doesn’t give you as Strong of an offensive boost but your an all time defender as well so it’s tough for me

I think I’ll lean cp3 km

ceoofkobefans wrote:This is close between 08 or 09 cp3 (offensive peak)+ 94(?) Karl Malone and 10 Deron Williams + 04 KG

CP3 + Karl Malone gives you an all time roll man and initiator with an all time mid range shot and an elite 3 ball AND an elite post scorer. Really nothing he can’t do offensively while being an elite defender when you add Malone’s post defense and rim protection with CP3’s lateral quickness and help d/communication.

DWill + KG doesn’t give you as Strong of an offensive boost but your an all time defender as well so it’s tough for me

I think I’ll lean cp3 km

Bro I was thinking you combined the two players into 1 if you mean duo pairings then I’d prolly go cp3 KM still since I think you’re getting the most talent here and cp3 Malone work really well together on both sides. KG DWill would be a close second still rose Giannis has some very clear flaws that keep them from contention

mcfly1204 wrote:While I agree that the Deron and CP3 pairings would likely be the best to build a team around, Rose and Giannis have higher individual peaks than the others.

I don't see any argument for Rose peaking higher than CP3.

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:While I agree that the Deron and CP3 pairings would likely be the best to build a team around, Rose and Giannis have higher individual peaks than the others.

I don't see any argument for Rose peaking higher than CP3.

Rose was unguardable in his MVP season.

I don't see Chris Paul as significantly better than Stockton (slightly better when healthy but not a level above) so it's tough to pick the CP3/Karl Malone pairing with their playoff history. On the other hand, Utah was terrible at getting well rounded players to pair with them other than Jeff Hornacek. They either got inefficient scorers (Darrell Griffith/Jeff Malone) or offensive zeros (David Benoit/Byron Russell, etc. at SF, Mark Eaton/Greg Ostertag/Felton Spencer, etc. at center. Karl Malone is not quite as good peak as Garnett and Giannis but he's still a great player. Paul is not only clearly the best playmaker but he adds a defensive element the other PGs lack if he can stay healthy and since we can take peak, I'm assuming we can use the peak healthy season so that's my choice.

I was not as impressed with Rose in his MVP season; great at creating for himself, not as great at creating for others as either of the other PGs here and both the others are also excellent scorers. On the other hand, Giannis makes up some of Rose's playmaking gap and in a time machine I would take them because while people think of Giannis as lacking scoring range, he has a 3 point range the other two never demonstrated (though I think both would be fully capable of that if brought up in today's game).

Garnett/Deron Williams is close though. I have Giannis as very close to Garnett defensively and clearly superior offensively so Deron would have to have a big edge on Derrick Rose. He is clearly the superior playmaker and overall probably the better peak but I have Giannis's edge over Garnett as greater.

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:While I agree that the Deron and CP3 pairings would likely be the best to build a team around, Rose and Giannis have higher individual peaks than the others.

I don't see any argument for Rose peaking higher than CP3.

Rose was unguardable in his MVP season.

CP3 was unguardable in 2008 and 2015.

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:While I agree that the Deron and CP3 pairings would likely be the best to build a team around, Rose and Giannis have higher individual peaks than the others.

I don't see any argument for Rose peaking higher than CP3.

Rose was unguardable in his MVP season.

So unguardable he put up 23 ppg on 35% shooting against the Heat in the playoffs.

RCM88x wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
I don't see any argument for Rose peaking higher than CP3.

Rose was unguardable in his MVP season.

So unguardable he put up 23 ppg on 35% shooting against the Heat in the playoffs.

I mean, we are talking about the Miami cHEAT there... The fact that a 22 year old Rose could get that squad that far is a feat in and of itself.

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
I don't see any argument for Rose peaking higher than CP3.

Rose was unguardable in his MVP season.

CP3 was unguardable in 2008 and 2015.

And a solid 2nd round exit each year.

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:Rose was unguardable in his MVP season.

CP3 was unguardable in 2008 and 2015.

And a solid 2nd round exit each year.

Seriously?

If only CP3 could have played the -1.10 SRS Atlanta Hawks in round 2

Is Derrick Rose peaking higher than CP3 really the hill you want to die on?

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
CP3 was unguardable in 2008 and 2015.

And a solid 2nd round exit each year.

Seriously?

If only CP3 could have played the -1.10 SRS Atlanta Hawks in round 2

Is Derrick Rose peaking higher than CP3 really the hill you want to die on?

Giannis's peak is unquestionably higher than that of Malone and Garnett, so if you want to call peak CP3 even with MVP Rose, or marginally better, the original point still stands. I by no means am looking to hyperfocus on Rose vs. CP3 here.

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:And a solid 2nd round exit each year.

Seriously?

If only CP3 could have played the -1.10 SRS Atlanta Hawks in round 2

Is Derrick Rose peaking higher than CP3 really the hill you want to die on?

Giannis's peak is unquestionably higher than that of Malone and Garnett, so if you want to call peak CP3 even with MVP Rose, or marginally better, the original point still stands. I by no means am looking to hyperfocus on Rose vs. CP3 here.

Thank you for walking back your original, nonsensical statement of Rose having a better peak than CP3. There is no rationale possibility that Rose peaked higher than CP3.

CP3 was significantly better than Rose at their peaks.

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
Seriously?

If only CP3 could have played the -1.10 SRS Atlanta Hawks in round 2

Is Derrick Rose peaking higher than CP3 really the hill you want to die on?

Giannis's peak is unquestionably higher than that of Malone and Garnett, so if you want to call peak CP3 even with MVP Rose, or marginally better, the original point still stands. I by no means am looking to hyperfocus on Rose vs. CP3 here.

Thank you for walking back your original, nonsensical statement of Rose having a better peak than CP3. There is no rationale possibility that Rose peaked higher than CP3.

CP3 was significantly better than Rose at their peaks.

Oh, I'm not walking that back. That was just to shut you up and get things back on topic.

mcfly1204 wrote:

RCM88x wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:Rose was unguardable in his MVP season.

So unguardable he put up 23 ppg on 35% shooting against the Heat in the playoffs.

I mean, we are talking about the Miami cHEAT there... The fact that a 22 year old Rose could get that squad that far is a feat in and of itself.

Not really, both the Pacers and Hawks were both below average teams. Probably a dozen players that season who could have done similar in his situation. Maybe it's impressive because he was only 22 but that really doesn't have anything to do with this.

mcfly1204 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:Giannis's peak is unquestionably higher than that of Malone and Garnett, so if you want to call peak CP3 even with MVP Rose, or marginally better, the original point still stands. I by no means am looking to hyperfocus on Rose vs. CP3 here.

Thank you for walking back your original, nonsensical statement of Rose having a better peak than CP3. There is no rationale possibility that Rose peaked higher than CP3.

CP3 was significantly better than Rose at their peaks.

Oh, I'm not walking that back. That was just to shut you up and get things back on topic.

We are on topic

2008 CP3 PS: 32.9 Points on 56.5 TS% against an average Drtg of 103.9

2011 Rose PS: 36.9 Points on 49.9 TS% against an average Drtg of 105.6

As for players as a whole, CP3 was better defensively and he was a significantly better playmaker/passer. I really don't see an argument for Rose > CP3 unless you are a--checks post history--Bulls Fan.