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Better PG? Prime D-Will or current Ja

I'd say Deron Williams who was considered to be almost on par with Hornets CP3

I'm sure if Ja was playing then he would be considered the same.

This imo is as close as it gets. Deron Williams was one of the best perimeter shooters, dribblers and floor generals of the last two decades. Comfortably a top 10 Prime the last 20 years for a PG.

Deron Williams was an empty stats guy for me. The guy benefited from Sloan and the moment he thought he was better than he actually was, his career fell down a cliff. I don’t remember one memorable playoffs from him. He put up empty stats in blowouts in the playoffs.

Very close. I think DWill had an edge as a playmaker. Very small.

Ja'soffense feels one dimensional. Not sure. Why. It isnt. But it feels that way.

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mdonnelly1989 wrote:I'd say Deron Williams who was considered to be almost on par with Hornets CP3

I'm sure if Ja was playing then he would be considered the same.

This imo is as close as it gets. Deron Williams was one of the best perimeter shooters, dribblers and floor generals of the last two decades. Comfortably a top 10 Prime the last 20 years for a PG.

Ah yeah, the time when Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo were considered on the same level as CP3. Those were some bad takes.

"Comfortably" top 10 prime of the last 20 years?

Curry
CP3
Westbrook
Harden
Luka
Kyrie
Lillard
Lowry
Parker
Nash
Billups
Kidd

Colbinii wrote:

mdonnelly1989 wrote:I'd say Deron Williams who was considered to be almost on par with Hornets CP3

I'm sure if Ja was playing then he would be considered the same.

This imo is as close as it gets. Deron Williams was one of the best perimeter shooters, dribblers and floor generals of the last two decades. Comfortably a top 10 Prime the last 20 years for a PG.

Ah yeah, the time when Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo were considered on the same level as CP3. Those were some bad takes.

Well Rondo was just there because he had the extended postseason runs, but I think Deron was fairly compared (never had a season near the level of 2009 Paul of course). You look at how much love Paul receives for his performance against the 2008 Spurs — 24/11 on 55.5% efficiency — but Deron put up 26/8 on 61.4% efficiency against a better version of that team the year before. Then he pushed the Lakers pretty hard in 2008… the Lakers did seem to figure him out with time, but we are talking a postseason period where he was giving you 22.5/11 per 75 possessions on 58% efficiency and only getting eliminated by the conference champions. Bit superficial, sure, but that to me is not notably off 2008 Paul’s postseason, especially if you are not too impressed by Paul’s defence yet.

"Comfortably" top 10 prime of the last 20 years?

Curry
CP3
Westbrook
Harden
Luka
Kyrie
Lillard
Lowry
Parker
Nash
Billups
Kidd

Can quibble with “prime” here, because Deron’s was short-lived, but as a ~three-year peak I would lean toward Deron over Parker and Kyrie for sure… probably Billups and Lowry… possibly Lillard and Kidd…

AEnigma wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

mdonnelly1989 wrote:I'd say Deron Williams who was considered to be almost on par with Hornets CP3

I'm sure if Ja was playing then he would be considered the same.

This imo is as close as it gets. Deron Williams was one of the best perimeter shooters, dribblers and floor generals of the last two decades. Comfortably a top 10 Prime the last 20 years for a PG.

Ah yeah, the time when Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo were considered on the same level as CP3. Those were some bad takes.

Well Rondo was just there because he had the extended postseason runs, but I think Deron was fairly compared (never had a season near the level of 2009 Paul of course). You look at how much love Paul receives for his performance against the 2008 Spurs — 24/11 on 55.5% efficiency — but Deron put up 26/8 on 61.4% efficiency against a better version of that team the year before. Then he pushed the Lakers pretty hard in 2008… the Lakers did seem to figure him out with time, but we are talking a postseason period where he was giving you 22.5/11 per 75 possessions on 58% efficiency and only getting eliminated by the conference champions. Bit superficial, sure, but that to me is not notably off 2008 Paul’s postseason, especially if you are not too impressed by Paul’s defence yet.

"Comfortably" top 10 prime of the last 20 years?

Curry
CP3
Westbrook
Harden
Luka
Kyrie
Lillard
Lowry
Parker
Nash
Billups
Kidd

Can quibble with “prime” here, because Deron’s was short-lived, but as a ~three-year peak I would lean toward Deron over Parker and Kyrie for sure… probably Billups and Lowry… possibly Lillard and Kidd…

You do realize the majority stats he put up vs the spurs were garbage points in blowouts that the game was over in the 3rd qtr.

AEnigma wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

mdonnelly1989 wrote:I'd say Deron Williams who was considered to be almost on par with Hornets CP3

I'm sure if Ja was playing then he would be considered the same.

This imo is as close as it gets. Deron Williams was one of the best perimeter shooters, dribblers and floor generals of the last two decades. Comfortably a top 10 Prime the last 20 years for a PG.

Ah yeah, the time when Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo were considered on the same level as CP3. Those were some bad takes.

Well Rondo was just there because he had the extended postseason runs, but I think Deron was fairly compared (never had a season near the level of 2009 Paul of course). You look at how much love Paul receives for his performance against the 2008 Spurs — 24/11 on 55.5% efficiency — but Deron put up 26/8 on 61.4% efficiency against a better version of that team the year before. Then he pushed the Lakers pretty hard in 2008… the Lakers did seem to figure him out with time, but we are talking a postseason period where he was giving you 22.5/11 per 75 possessions on 58% efficiency and only getting eliminated by the conference champions. Bit superficial, sure, but that to me is not notably off 2008 Paul’s postseason, especially if you are not too impressed by Paul’s defence yet.

"Comfortably" top 10 prime of the last 20 years?

Curry
CP3
Westbrook
Harden
Luka
Kyrie
Lillard
Lowry
Parker
Nash
Billups
Kidd

Can quibble with “prime” here, because Deron’s was short-lived, but as a ~three-year peak I would lean toward Deron over Parker and Kyrie for sure… probably Billups and Lowry… possibly Lillard and Kidd…

Sure, I could lean towards Deron being Top 10 as well but OP said Comfortably Top 10.