70sFan wrote:MyUniBroDavis wrote:1. I’m not even American. You can use your body to shield the ball in football/soccer too. I’m not saying let gets ram into each other but yeah it’s a physical sport it’s not non contact.
I’d you’re trying to imply that if you’re driving in and the defender is rushing in, the offensive player doesn’t have right of way thats just a silly argument.
So you think these plays are perfectly legal?
2. The rules of basketball say a hesi is illegal. I doubt anyone thinks ball handling looked cooler in the 60s than in 2020.
We're not talking about ball-handling here, but about contact allowed.
I never said running into someone at full speed is fine, I said if everyone’s running and some contact happens and the offensive player initiated it it should be a no call depending on the situation. Right now it’s usually a defensive foil
Then you are not talking about things the OP says about.
Stop trying to misrepresent what I said lmao
There are some defensive fouls that should be no calls but turning contact into offensive fouls just makes it lame as hell lol.
If everyone’s on the move you should be able to use your body to shield the ball.
If they get their feet set in front of you and you ram into them it should be a foul, if ur just driving slow but physical that’s fine. As long as ur clearly not ramming into them that’s fine.
There are some guys that get away with a bit too many offensive fouls when they’re literally barreling over guys or elbowing guys, outside of Giannis people get way more annoyed about defensive fouls being called too much than offensive no calls
I don’t care if this different from what OP said. In the above he very clearly is doing it as agenda as a veiled criticism on bron and shaq, which he said himself, and it’s particularly idiotic to use it as a point against bron when he gets a horrendous whistle. Shaq got mauled as well
^i guess since he admitted it it’s not really a veiled attack, but implying that their main move is a foul is a talk on physicality in general since outright elbowing someone out of transition blatantly is a once or twice a game thing from bron if even
Anyways
1. That’s a foul
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^^^ don’t really mind any of these.
5. That’s a foul
6. Indifferent, probably extended his elbow a bit too much but that’s about it. I’d take issue if it was called a defensive foul but I don’t really care much
7. Don’t mind it
In any case, my main issue is calling defensive fouls on the play like the lebron one in transition. If that was a defensive foul I’d be more annoyed
I’d find it hard to argue the above make it a worse product when most of the plays you showed me as an example of what should be changed are highlights lol
I don’t think it’s a big deal offensive players are allowed to be more physical today, OP is acting like bron is an absurd beneficiary of modern rules as if he doesn’t have a horrible whistle.
I think in transition, if both parties are on the move and they aren’t directly in front of you, if you extend your elbow it’s a foul. I’m undecided on if you keep it locked but I’d lean no. I just think the defenders should have some freedom to be physical as well in that regard
As for post offense I couldn’t really care less that they allow big guys to bang
For me on drives you should be able to lean into them and jump into them to create contact situations and you shouldn’t get free throws if they’re being physical without their contest disrupting your shot in an illegal way.
I think it’s fine to go through someone but they need to be more clear in how they call the elbow rules and it shouldn’t be allowed to extend passed a certain point, and I think both parties need to be on the move
I think defenders should be allowed to apply force the opposite way as well in response to this.
I don’t care about the post ups you showed mostly because I don’t think any of those translate to an inferior product, and defenders are allowed to push back
I don’t think any of the above makes a worse product regardless of what the rules say
Bully ball is fine and it’s fun to watch. I don’t think it’s fair that they allow offensive players this freedom while restricting defensive players in the same regard, but I don’t think the issue is make basketball look as weirdly non physical as it does in some 60s games. I think what makes sense is to give defenders more freedom, but I understand why they favor the offense more.
Nice agenda post.