Scottie Pippen for career, prime and peak

[migya]

Where does Scottie Pippen rank in your alltime list? How good was his offense and defense? Give your reasonings, use some proof.


Career -
RS- 1178gm, 34.9mins, 16.1pts, 47.3fg%, 6.4reb, 5.2ast, 2stl, 0.8blk, 2.8tos, 108OR, 102DR, 18.6PER, 53.6ts%, 57.8ows, 67.3dws, 125.1ws, .146ws/48, 4.1bpm, 63.2vorp

PS- 208gm, 39mins, 17.5pts, 44.4fg%, 7.6reb, 5ast, 1.9stl, 0.9blk, 2.9tos, 108OR, 102DR, 9.5ows, 14.1dws, 23.6ws, .140ws/48, 4.9bpm, 14.2vorp


Prime -
RS-
1991-98, 599, 37.8mins, 20pts, 48.4fg%, 7.3reb, 6ast, 2.2stl, 0.9blk, 2.9tos, 112OR, 101DR, 21.2PER, 54.6ts%, 45.4ows, 42dws, 87.4ws, .185ws/48, 6bpm, 45.9vorp

PS- 136gm, 40.5mins, 44.3fg%, 7.9reb, 5.5ast, 2.1stl, 0.9blk, 3tos , 109OR, 101DR, 19.5PER, 52.1ts%, 7.6ows, 10.5dws, 18ws, .157ws/48, 5.6bpm, 10.6vorp


Peak -
RS-
1993-94, 72gm, 38.3mins, 22pts, 49.1fg%, 8.7reb, 5.6ast, 2.9stl, 0.8blk, 3.2tos, 109OR, 97DR, 23.2PER, 54.4ts%, 5.2ows, 6dws, 11.2ws, .194ws/48, 7.7bpm, 6.8vorp

PS-
10gm, 38.4mins, 22.8pts, 43.4fg%, 8.3reb, 4.6ast, 2.4stl, 0.7blk, 3.7tos, 104OR, 99DR, 22.8PER, 52.1ts%, 0.5ows, 0.7dws, 1.2ws, .149ws/48, 5.6bpm, 0.7vorp

[SHAQ32]

I would switch his peak from 94 to 92, and his prime from 91-98 to 90-97

[Cavsfansince84]

My position on Pippen generally is that he's slightly to largely overrated in terms of all time lists. Reason being that he never showed what he could do as a leader(I mean 94 Bulls is a team that already knew how to win and had a system that all the players knew their roles in) or as a guy who could take over a playoff series which is what pretty much all the guys in the top 30-40 are expected to have done and I think his prime comes up a bit short also in terms of length and overall quality. So I don't think building around Pippen would get the same results as it would if you built around most of the other guys in the say 28-40 group. He's terrific as a complimentary player. I just think realistically he's not a guy that you can make your franchise player for 15 years and expect to contend for titles most of that time. Not that I'd have him outside my top 40 but probably close to 40. Peakwise probably closer to 30.

[migya]

My position on Pippen generally is that he's slightly to largely overrated in terms of all time lists. Reason being that he never showed what he could do as a leader(I mean 94 Bulls is a team that already knew how to win and had a system that all the players knew their roles in) or as a guy who could take over a playoff series which is what pretty much all the guys in the top 30-40 are expected to have done and I think his prime comes up a bit short also in terms of length and overall quality. So I don't think building around Pippen would get the same results as it would if you built around most of the other guys in the say 28-40 group. He's terrific as a complimentary player. I just think realistically he's not a guy that you can make your franchise player for 15 years and expect to contend for titles most of that time. Not that I'd have him outside my top 40 but probably close to 40. Peakwise probably closer to 30.

1994 and 95 were huge in showing how good Pippen was. His playmaking was among the best in that era and at his position alltime. He wasn't a great scorer but was quite good which meant overall he was a great offensive player. His defense being arguably the best on the perimeter and quite good closer to the basket makes him among the best in that as well. I think he is at the level of Dr J and taking into account that he probably had less talent on his teams in 94 and 95 than Erving did pre Moses, boosts his case.

There's not many players you can build a winning team around and Pippen may or may not be one of them, though again 94 and 95 were big for him in that and he looks no less than CP, Garnett, Wade and Oscar in that regard.

[Cavsfansince84]

1994 and 95 were huge in showing how good Pippen was. His playmaking was among the best in that era and at his position alltime. He wasn't a great scorer but was quite good which meant overall he was a great offensive player. His defense being arguably the best on the perimeter and quite good closer to the basket makes him among the best in that as well. I think he is at the level of Dr J and taking into account that he probably had less talent on his teams in 94 and 95 than Erving did pre Moses, boosts his case.

There's not many players you can build a winning team around and Pippen may or may not be one of them, though again 94 and 95 were big for him in that and he looks no less than CP, Garnett, Wade and Oscar in that regard.

No I wouldn't put him on the level of circa 73-77 Dr. J with 80 or 81 thrown in too. Like I said, I can give him some credit for 94/95 but it's a rare situation in terms of building on what was already a mini dynasty with Pippen just being asked to up his scoring and Kukoc added in. It's not enough of a sample for me to say he could be built around in the long term.

[No-more-rings]

Pippen was definitely not a “great” offensive player, and definitely not as good as Wade, KG or Oscar as a centerpiece.

[migya]

Pippen was definitely not a “great” offensive player, and definitely not as good as Wade, KG or Oscar as a centerpiece.

He took his team to more wins than the others with similar talent.

[No-more-rings]

Pippen was definitely not a “great” offensive player, and definitely not as good as Wade, KG or Oscar as a centerpiece.

He took his team to more wins than the others with similar talent.

So you just look at RS wins and call them similar talent without really looking into things?

[migya]

Pippen was definitely not a “great” offensive player, and definitely not as good as Wade, KG or Oscar as a centerpiece.

He took his team to more wins than the others with similar talent.

So you just look at RS wins and call them similar talent without really looking into things?

I said with the talent on his team.

[70sFan]

Another 1990s player better than a full decade MVPs? At this point, I think we should just limit our all-time lists to the 1990s players.

[dygaction]

This board is very sympathetic towards great players on historically bad teams as if they were not a big part of it but tough on great players on historically GOAT teams as if they were not a big part of it...

[HeartBreakKid]

Pippen was definitely not a “great” offensive player, and definitely not as good as Wade, KG or Oscar as a centerpiece.

He took his team to more wins than the others with similar talent.

And what does that have to do with Scottie Pippen's offense?

Also, lol at having similar talent. If you think the 10 Heat and the 94 Bulls are similar in talent just stop posting.

[Jaivl]

This board is very sympathetic towards great players on historically bad teams as if they were not a big part of it but tough on great players on historically GOAT teams as if they were not a big part of it...

I'm really expecting to see some eye-opening arguments for Pippen over Wade, KG and Oscar now.

[HeartBreakKid]

We need a lecture about the media even though that guy is literally comparing Pippen to actual MVP's

[dygaction]

This board is very sympathetic towards great players on historically bad teams as if they were not a big part of it but tough on great players on historically GOAT teams as if they were not a big part of it...

I'm really expecting to see some eye-opening arguments for Pippen over Wade, KG and Oscar now.

I am not saying there are strong arguments, just Pippen did not get any respect and some arguments against him are not logical at all. He did get out of first round the first year after Jordan left (with a 55w-27l record, compared to 57w-25l the previous season with Jordan), ranked #3 in MVP behind Dream and DRob but ahead of Shaq, Malone, and Barkley. Whose place to say if you fill in Ewing or Kamp to replace Jordan's void that Bulls would not be contending for several years?

My position on Pippen generally is that he's slightly to largely overrated in terms of all time lists. Reason being that he never showed what he could do as a leader(I mean 94 Bulls is a team that already knew how to win and had a system that all the players knew their roles in) or as a guy who could take over a playoff series which is what pretty much all the guys in the top 30-40 are expected to have done and I think his prime comes up a bit short also in terms of length and overall quality. So I don't think building around Pippen would get the same results as it would if you built around most of the other guys in the say 28-40 group. He's terrific as a complimentary player. I just think realistically he's not a guy that you can make your franchise player for 15 years and expect to contend for titles most of that time. Not that I'd have him outside my top 40 but probably close to 40. Peakwise probably closer to 30.

The same logic can be used to say Jordan never won without Pippen, Bulls with Pippen only needs another piece to win it all, and Pippen made out to second round the first time he had a chance, a feast that KG was able to do only once in 12 seasons.

[70sFan]

Again, arguing against Pippen being compared to top 15 players ever isn't showing him no respect. Sometimes, it looks like some people believe if you have a player outside of top 15 then you think he's trash...

[migya]

Pippen was definitely not a “great” offensive player, and definitely not as good as Wade, KG or Oscar as a centerpiece.

He took his team to more wins than the others with similar talent.

And what does that have to do with Scottie Pippen's offense?

Also, lol at having similar talent. If you think the 10 Heat and the 94 Bulls are similar in talent just stop posting.

Very similar to main squeeze Lebron's offense in his teams'successes. Pippen was the playmaking for that team. Kerr and Pete Myers didn't add much in that.

I didn't say the Bulls had more talent, the Heat had Jermaine O'Neal, Haslem and a boat load of shooters. Keep your pants on

[migya]

This board is very sympathetic towards great players on historically bad teams as if they were not a big part of it but tough on great players on historically GOAT teams as if they were not a big part of it...

I'm really expecting to see some eye-opening arguments for Pippen over Wade, KG and Oscar now.

You'll have to wait for the Garnett gang and their pro great defense not great scoring mentality.

[No-more-rings]

Very similar to main squeeze Lebron's offense in his teams'successes. Pippen was the playmaking for that team. Kerr and Pete Myers didn't add much in that.

The 94 Bulls ranked 14th in offense, and Pippen doesn't sniff Lebron as an offensive player so I have no clue what this means. At this point, it seems clear you're trolling.

I didn't say the Bulls had more talent, the Heat had Jermaine O'Neal,

Oh yeah the Jermaine Oneal who played 28 mpg and rocked a negative OBPM was such a great player out there.

Haslem

Haslem who was a negative in OBPM, BPM and was an overall negative in on/off.

and a boat load of shooters. Keep your pants on

Wait what? The Heat were only 16th in the league in % of shots from 3 point range, and 20th in makes from 3 point range.

You are literally just making things up here.

[migya]

Very similar to main squeeze Lebron's offense in his teams'successes. Pippen was the playmaking for that team. Kerr and Pete Myers didn't add much in that.

The 94 Bulls ranked 14th in offense, and Pippen doesn't sniff Lebron as an offensive player so I have no clue what this means. At this point, it seems clear you're trolling.

I didn't say the Bulls had more talent, the Heat had Jermaine O'Neal,

Oh yeah the Jermaine Oneal who played 28 mpg and rocked a negative OBPM was such a great player out there.

Haslem

Haslem who was a negative in OBPM, BPM and was an overall negative in on/off.

and a boat load of shooters. Keep your pants on

Wait what? The Heat were only 16th in the league in % of shots from 3 point range, and 20th in makes from 3 point range.

You are literally just making things up here.

Check the other stats on the same page you were looking at