What more does Curry need to do to be your GOAT?

[dygaction]

Current GOAT 3pt shooter, GOAT winning regular season team, GOAT playoff team, beat GOAT player (at least according to this board) 3x times during his prime, arguably GOAT off ball player, ONLY unanimous MVP in history, smallest player to lead a dynasty...

To clarify, I have him at 9 or 10, but don't have a problem if someone has him much lower or much higher.

[wojoaderge]

4 more MVPs, 1 or 2 more rings as best player. I have him 14th

[AEnigma]

Probably too late, but for the sake of argument, he would need to outpace how Lebron was performing at equivalent ages, and clearly do so independently of Draymond (or any obvious Draymond substitute), and have no one successfully replicate his style or level of success, and see Lebron do basically nothing in the postseason from here on while heavily dropping off his regular season production (or outright retiring). Then maybe all that would put him in the conversation, because at least I could then seriously consider him for #2. Winning three Finals MVPs and at least another MVP while doing that would also go a long way, because then at least he could kind-of stand with the usual top four guys on even a superficial level. As is, I could probably get him to fourth or fifth if he just looks like the league’s overall best player for the next few years.

[eminence]

I see him having a very tough time getting there. Talking a minimum of 6 more seasons at All-NBA+, mostly MVP+ level (this is to just get a foot in the door). I don't have a problem with him/Dray not separating *if* they continue to be the dominant force in the league to turn themselves into the pre-eminent non-Russell Celtics dynasty in league history, which probably takes getting to 7-8 titles.

He just started so late as a top tier force (24) compared to the rest of my top guys - LeBron (20), Duncan (21), KAJ (22), KG (20), Russell (22), MJ (21), Wilt (23), Magic (20), Shaq (20), Oscar (22) and so on.

[dygaction]

4 more MVPs, 1 or 2 more rings as best player. I have him 14th

No way he can get 4 more MVPs. 2 more rings and finals MVPs possible, then he would have more rings than Magic and Duncan, match KAJ in rings but with one more Finals MVP.

[letskissbro]

Unless he sustains prime level production into his early 50s it isn't happening. Not exaggerating. Potentially longer than that even considering LeBron is still going strong. I don't view Curry as a clear tier 1 offensive player and see him as a neutral impact player on defense. LeBron and Jordan are outright better on both ends of the court, the two-way impact of Kareem/Wilt/Garnett/Duncan/Shaq/etc. eclipse his offense, and everything we have strongly suggests Magic and Russell's one-way impact far surpasses Curry's as well.

Even his 2016/2017 seasons get rated too high for my liking. For his peak to seriously rival the very best of all time he'd basically have to be a standard deviation better than anyone who has ever played the game on offense. Tough sell considering outside of the KD years the Warriors have had better postseason defenses than offenses and even those seasons didn't quite match up to what LeBron, Nash, Magic, and Jordan achieved with less talent. I'm not too versed in their impact signifiers but I wouldn't be surprised if Oscar and West compared favorably to him either.

It feels like those who seriously argue his peak is pushing top 5 territory are almost indirectly crediting him for Draymond's contributions. People like to call Curry the engine behind the Warriors dynasty, but it's always been the combination of those two. They fit so seamlessly with 0 overlap that I like to think of the Curry/Draymond pairing as basically the symbiotic answer to some of the ridiculous hypotheticals you see on here, like "What if you gave LeBron Curry's 3-pointer?" or "What if you gave KG Dirk's scoring arsenal?" You basically get by far the greatest "player" of all-time. I wonder, if Chris Paul shared 80% of his minutes with Rudy Gobert would people be campaigning him for GOAT as well?

[RCM88x]

Not realistically possible. He'd basically have to repeat last year's playoffs for the next 4-5 seasons at minimum and not drop-off at all in the RS.

[HeartBreakKid]

become a god

[Jaivl]

Finding some magical anti-aging remedy and playing at his current level til his late 40s.

Also, hitting LeBron in the head with a crowbar, just in case.

[Dutchball97]

I don't think it's feasible unless he's a MVP level player well into his 40s. He doesn't have enough elite seasons to compete with the GOATs, too many hiccups in the play-offs and too many way too stacked teams that blur how much lift he himself creates.

[Gooner]

Finding some magical anti-aging remedy and playing at his current level til his late 40s.

Also, hitting LeBron in the head with a crowbar, just in case.

Curry doesn't look like he ages at all, so it might happen.

[AdagioPace]

Unless he sustains prime level production into his early 50s it isn't happening. Not exaggerating. Potentially longer than that even considering LeBron is still going strong. I don't view Curry as a clear tier 1 offensive player and see him as a neutral impact player on defense. LeBron and Jordan are outright better on both ends of the court, the two-way impact of Kareem/Wilt/Garnett/Duncan/Shaq/etc. eclipse his offense, and everything we have strongly suggests Magic and Russell's one-way impact far surpasses Curry's as well.

Even his 2016/2017 seasons get rated too high for my liking. For his peak to seriously rival the very best of all time he'd basically have to be a standard deviation better than anyone who has ever played the game on offense. Tough sell considering outside of the KD years the Warriors have had better postseason defenses than offenses and even those seasons didn't quite match up to what LeBron, Nash, Magic, and Jordan achieved with less talent. I'm not too versed in their impact signifiers but I wouldn't be surprised if Oscar and West compared favorably to him either.

It feels like those who seriously argue his peak is pushing top 5 territory are almost indirectly crediting him for Draymond's contributions. People like to call Curry the engine behind the Warriors dynasty, but it's always been the combination of those two. They fit so seamlessly with 0 overlap that I like to think of the Curry/Draymond pairing as basically the symbiotic answer to some of the ridiculous hypotheticals you see on here, like "What if you gave LeBron Curry's 3-pointer?" or "What if you gave KG Dirk's scoring arsenal?" You basically get by far the greatest "player" of all-time. I wonder, if Chris Paul shared 80% of his minutes with Rudy Gobert would people be campaigning him for GOAT as well?

are you saying that the real GOAT here is the Currymond bicephalus monster ?? (a way more intimidating version of Stockton-Malone).
yeah probably the all-time team results (both in RS and PS) by the Warriors would have been impossibile without being a top defensive side (mostly Draymond and whatever defensive help he had including Bogut, Iguodala, Klay etc..) but I think Curry's offensive career stands on his own regardless and can be compared to Magic/Bird (if not now, in some years). So it's a matter of whether he can do what Magic/Bird weren't able to do. Play for a long time.

[Jaivl]

Just for reference, by my estimation Curry would need to play at an MVP level until age 43-44 to reach LeBron if LeBron retired tomorrow, until age 42 to reach Kareem and until age 40-41 to reach Jordan.

The highest I think he could semi-realistically get would be #5 Tim Duncan (age 38-39). I think the most probable is #10 Magic Johnson (age 36-37, or 2 more years).

Finding some magical anti-aging remedy and playing at his current level til his late 40s.

Also, hitting LeBron in the head with a crowbar, just in case.

Curry doesn't look like he ages at all, so it might happen.

Don't think he has a realistic shot to reach LeBron, nor Kareem or Michael really, but I'm "scared" he may be able to make a very real push into my top 9... He's still a top 3ish player to me when healthy.

[Gooner]

Just for reference, by my estimation Curry would need to play at an MVP level until age 43-44 to reach LeBron if LeBron retired tomorrow, until age 42 to reach Kareem and until age 40-41 to reach Jordan.

The highest I think he could semi-realistically get would be #5 Tim Duncan (age 38-39). I think the most probable is #10 Magic Johnson (age 36-37, or 2 more years).

Finding some magical anti-aging remedy and playing at his current level til his late 40s.

Also, hitting LeBron in the head with a crowbar, just in case.

Curry doesn't look like he ages at all, so it might happen.

Don't think he has a realistic shot to reach LeBron, nor Kareem or Michael really, but I'm "scared" he may be able to make a very real push into my top 9... He's still a top 3ish player to me when healthy.

If you value longevity, then Curry will make the case, because I don't see any signs of decline with him and he is soon to be 35. It's hard to predict injuries and stuff, but I don't see age being a problem for Curry. He is not going to suddenly get much worse at the age of 36 or 37. People thought he was declining last year because his shooting numbers went down a bit. But then he won the championship and now he is back at his near 50-40-90 standard with 30 ppg.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Curry played elite basketball at the age of 40. That's not to mention winning potential, and Golden State won't go away as long as he is there.

[Tomtolbert]

At minimum, he would have to elevate his peak level of play.

[SeattleJazzFan]

nothing he can do. too short, doesn't defend well enough. if you've ever been consistently attacked on switches in the playoffs you can't be the goat.

[Inspektor1312]

I mean, nothing. We've seen his best, we know what he can do as a player.

[Colbinii]

Realistically it is having long, resilient play-off performances for the next 6 years.

He has 1/3 of LeBron's playoff VORP, less than half of LeBron's playoff WS.
He has 1/2 of LeBron's regular season VORP and WS.

He didn't peak higher than LeBron, he has a prime with missed season and injuries preventing him from reaching 72+ games consistently.

I think he is getting into the Magic territory for me, which is a Giant Tier from 10-17 [Including Magic, Dirk, KMalone, Bird, Curry, Kobe, West, Oscar]

[cpower]

another 8 years playing at this level and 2 more MVPs and 2 more rings?

[Colbinii]

another 8 years playing at this level and 2 more MVPs and 2 more rings?

I thought 6 could possibly do it.