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HeartBreakKid wrote:Mikan threads come down to the same thing as PenBeast stated. There is no point in this comparison, really. The answers would likely be the same if you replaced Ewing with Jokic, Magic or Bob Dole.

HeartBreakKid wrote:Mikan threads come down to the same thing as PenBeast stated. There is no point in this comparison, really. The answers would likely be the same if you replaced Ewing with Jokic, Magic or Bob Dole.

ShaqAttac wrote:

HeartBreakKid wrote:Mikan threads come down to the same thing as PenBeast stated. There is no point in this comparison, really. The answers would likely be the same if you replaced Ewing with Jokic, Magic or Bob Dole.

what bout russ

penbeast0 wrote:

ShaqAttac wrote:

HeartBreakKid wrote:Mikan threads come down to the same thing as PenBeast stated. There is no point in this comparison, really. The answers would likely be the same if you replaced Ewing with Jokic, Magic or Bob Dole.

what bout russ

Not completely no point, just if we do more, let's focus on the discount for 50s dominance. Russell is probably more dominant both through his defensive impact and his playoff record depending on how much of Mikan's impact you think comes through his scoring.

ShaqAttac wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:

ShaqAttac wrote:what bout russ

Not completely no point, just if we do more, let's focus on the discount for 50s dominance. Russell is probably more dominant both through his defensive impact and his playoff record depending on how much of Mikan's impact you think comes through his scoring.

would russ vs mikan be a debate without discountin the 50's?

penbeast0 wrote:

ShaqAttac wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:
Not completely no point, just if we do more, let's focus on the discount for 50s dominance. Russell is probably more dominant both through his defensive impact and his playoff record depending on how much of Mikan's impact you think comes through his scoring.

would russ vs mikan be a debate without discountin the 50's?

Yes, I think Russell's defensive impact (which is probably more than half of Mikan's as well) is so strong that I favor him anyway despite his weak offense. I'd have to see more numbers on Mikan's defensive impact but assuming it's Wilt level, I'd still favor Russell as I think Wilt may be the superior offensive player to Mikan and I think Russell's overall impact was stronger than Wilt's.

ShaqAttac wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:

ShaqAttac wrote:would russ vs mikan be a debate without discountin the 50's?

Yes, I think Russell's defensive impact (which is probably more than half of Mikan's as well) is so strong that I favor him anyway despite his weak offense. I'd have to see more numbers on Mikan's defensive impact but assuming it's Wilt level, I'd still favor Russell as I think Wilt may be the superior offensive player to Mikan and I think Russell's overall impact was stronger than Wilt's.

okay i make thread then.

idk bout wilt vs bill except that bill got crazy wowy apparently

penbeast0 wrote:

ShaqAttac wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:
Yes, I think Russell's defensive impact (which is probably more than half of Mikan's as well) is so strong that I favor him anyway despite his weak offense. I'd have to see more numbers on Mikan's defensive impact but assuming it's Wilt level, I'd still favor Russell as I think Wilt may be the superior offensive player to Mikan and I think Russell's overall impact was stronger than Wilt's.

okay i make thread then.

idk bout wilt vs bill except that bill got crazy wowy apparently

Even then it's hard to judge because Russell was very healthy and didn't miss many game except in his rookie year combined with playing 40 minutes a game. Basically they only pulled him for short rests and garbage time.

ShaqAttac wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:

ShaqAttac wrote:okay i make thread then.

idk bout wilt vs bill except that bill got crazy wowy apparently

Even then it's hard to judge because Russell was very healthy and didn't miss many game except in his rookie year combined with playing 40 minutes a game. Basically they only pulled him for short rests and garbage time.

arent people using the yr after russy retired? they won 35 without right

Jaivl wrote:

ShaqAttac wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:
Even then it's hard to judge because Russell was very healthy and didn't miss many game except in his rookie year combined with playing 40 minutes a game. Basically they only pulled him for short rests and garbage time.

arent people using the yr after russy retired? they won 35 without right

Mostly, yes. We are kinda forced to extrapolate from there.

Still, the baseline is not the 60 win, +7 and +8 SRS juggernouts of the mid 60s, the Celts were on a slow but steady decline by 1969 -- +5ish SRS, 48 wins on the RS, +5ish SRS vs New York and Lakers (+15 SRS outlier vs Philly). Plus, decrepit Sam Jones is still a quality player, Bailey Howell is getting older... So we arrive at an obviously faulty but probably somewhat accurate "looks like a 12-win or +4 SRS caliber guy at 35, so in his late 20s he might be worth X".

Also, despite what Ben Taylor might say, the SRS -> %CORP conversion is absolutely not the same through eras... if not adjusting for era, top tier players might very well be inherently more valuable than their modern counterparts.

ShaqAttac wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:

ShaqAttac wrote:okay i make thread then.

idk bout wilt vs bill except that bill got crazy wowy apparently

Even then it's hard to judge because Russell was very healthy and didn't miss many game except in his rookie year combined with playing 40 minutes a game. Basically they only pulled him for short rests and garbage time.

arent people using the yr after russy retired? they won 35 without right

dooki667 wrote:Can anyone point me towards what limited video for mikan we have or some well done analysis of his game. I know very very little and would like to learn.

wojoaderge wrote:

dooki667 wrote:Can anyone point me towards what limited video for mikan we have or some well done analysis of his game. I know very very little and would like to learn.

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