Better Player: Luka vs D Wade

1993Playoffs · Post #1 » by **1993Playoffs** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:02 pm

Based off what you seen so far from Luka how would you compare his offensive / overall game to D Wade ?

Colbinii · Post #2 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:06 pm

Worse offensively and worse overall due to a large gap defensively.

No-more-rings · Post #3 » by **No-more-rings** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:20 pm

Luka will likely go down as the better player, but he’s not there yet. Wade has a solid edge on defense, and as of now I prefer his scoring skillset to Luka’s. Luka is a better passer, but that doesn’t bridge the gap for me.

Dutchball97 · Post #4 » by **Dutchball97** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:29 pm

I like Luka but these recent comparisons to all-time greats are rough because I don't think Luka is quiet at that level yet.

70sFan · Post #5 » by **70sFan** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:10 pm

Wade and for now, I don't think it's that close either.

dygaction · Post #6 » by **dygaction** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:07 pm

Interesting timing, but it is clearly Wade anyways as of now even asked right after the 60/20/10 game. Have to support Luka on the poll though :lol:

rk2023 · Post #7 » by **rk2023** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:25 pm

1993Playoffs · Post #8 » by **1993Playoffs** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:44 pm

rk2023 wrote:??

Is it not even close to you?

dygaction · Post #9 » by **dygaction** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:49 pm

rk2023 wrote:??

This tells you why such posts emerge from OP only when Luka struggles or Mavs lose games:

1993Playoffs wrote:Organic = white guys in suits making decisions for the team because I don’t want players having any power ...........except for guys like Luka and Jokic.

SNPA · Post #10 » by **SNPA** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:06 pm

Wade now.

Luka in future.

rk2023 · Post #11 » by **rk2023** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:15 pm

dygaction wrote:
rk2023 wrote:??

This tells you why such posts emerge from OP only when Luka struggles or Mavs lose games:

1993Playoffs wrote:Organic = white guys in suits making decisions for the team because I don’t want players having any power ...........except for guys like Luka and Jokic.

Slander and bait sells

rk2023 · Post #12 » by **rk2023** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:15 pm

1993Playoffs wrote:
rk2023 wrote:??

Is it not even close to you?

It’s quite the hard sell. I think Luka and Harden is a good comparison, while I see Wade as closer to (say) Kobe and West

Colbinii · Post #13 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:12 pm

rk2023 wrote:
1993Playoffs wrote:
rk2023 wrote:??

Is it not even close to you?

It’s quite the hard sell. I think Luka and Harden is a good comparison, while I see Wade as closer to (say) Kobe and West

What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

SickMother · Post #14 » by **SickMother** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:17 pm

Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

Colbinii · Post #15 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:26 pm

SickMother wrote:
Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

Is Kobe really that much more resilient in the PS than Harden?

Cavsfansince84 · Post #16 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:27 pm

SickMother wrote:
Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

I think part of it is also his overall discipline to work within the triangle. Kobe learning how to work so well within it made his teammates better and harder to stop than Harden's offenses I would say where he often ended up shouldering too much of the load.

Colbinii · Post #17 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:47 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
SickMother wrote:
Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

I think part of it is also his overall discipline to work within the triangle. Kobe learning how to work so well within it made his teammates better and harder to stop than Harden's offenses I would say where he often ended up shouldering too much of the load.

Yeah well we never saw Harden with a Pau Gasol or Shaquille O'Neale level big man.

The best we saw was Chris Paul, and that team was likely to beat the greatest team ever assembled [KD/Steph Warriors] except CP3 was injured.

SickMother · Post #18 » by **SickMother** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:58 pm

Colbinii wrote:
SickMother wrote:
Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

Is Kobe really that much more resilient in the PS than Harden?

Kobe Career RS: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | .170 WS/48 | 4.6 BPM
Kobe Career PO: 22.4 PER | .541 TS% | .157 WS/48 | 5.4 BPM

Harden Career RS: 24.4 PER | .610 TS% | .219 WS/48 | 6.7 BPM
Harden Career PO: 22.3 PER | .589 TS% | .177 WS/48 | 6.4 BPM

Colbinii · Post #19 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 11:04 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
SickMother wrote:
Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

I think part of it is also his overall discipline to work within the triangle. Kobe learning how to work so well within it made his teammates better and harder to stop than Harden's offenses I would say where he often ended up shouldering too much of the load.

Food for thought

Kobe [2008 + 2010 vs Celtics]: 13 G, 354 Points [51.8 TS%], 57 Assists, 50 Turnovers
Harden [2018 + 2019 vs Warriors]: 13 G, 410 Points [56.5 TS%], 76 Assists, 57 Turnovers

Harden [2018 + 2019 vs Warriors w/ CP3]: 11 G, 346 Points [57.24 TS%], 61 Assists, 43 Turnovers

Colbinii · Post #20 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 11:06 pm

SickMother wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
SickMother wrote:
Defense and postseason resilience.

Is Kobe really that much more resilient in the PS than Harden?

Kobe Career RS: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | .170 WS/48 | 4.6 BPM
Kobe Career PO: 22.4 PER | .541 TS% | .157 WS/48 | 5.4 BPM

Harden Career RS: 24.4 PER | .610 TS% | .219 WS/48 | 6.7 BPM
Harden Career PO: 22.3 PER | .589 TS% | .177 WS/48 | 6.4 BPM

And throwing in Wade...

Wade Career RS: 23.5 PER | 55.4 TS% | .162 WS/48 | 5.0 BPM
Wade Career PS: 22.4 PER | 54.9 TS% | .155 WS/48 | 5.3 BPM

Who's better?