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Based off what you seen so far from Luka how would you compare his offensive / overall game to D Wade ?

Worse offensively and worse overall due to a large gap defensively.

Luka will likely go down as the better player, but he’s not there yet. Wade has a solid edge on defense, and as of now I prefer his scoring skillset to Luka’s. Luka is a better passer, but that doesn’t bridge the gap for me.

I like Luka but these recent comparisons to all-time greats are rough because I don't think Luka is quiet at that level yet.

Wade and for now, I don't think it's that close either.

Interesting timing, but it is clearly Wade anyways as of now even asked right after the 60/20/10 game. Have to support Luka on the poll though

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rk2023 wrote:??

Is it not even close to you?

rk2023 wrote:??

This tells you why such posts emerge from OP only when Luka struggles or Mavs lose games:

1993Playoffs wrote:Organic = white guys in suits making decisions for the team because I don’t want players having any power ...........except for guys like Luka and Jokic.

Wade now.

Luka in future.

dygaction wrote:

rk2023 wrote:??

This tells you why such posts emerge from OP only when Luka struggles or Mavs lose games:

1993Playoffs wrote:Organic = white guys in suits making decisions for the team because I don’t want players having any power ...........except for guys like Luka and Jokic.

Slander and bait sells

1993Playoffs wrote:

rk2023 wrote:??

Is it not even close to you?

It’s quite the hard sell. I think Luka and Harden is a good comparison, while I see Wade as closer to (say) Kobe and West

rk2023 wrote:

1993Playoffs wrote:

rk2023 wrote:??

Is it not even close to you?

It’s quite the hard sell. I think Luka and Harden is a good comparison, while I see Wade as closer to (say) Kobe and West

What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

SickMother wrote:

Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

Is Kobe really that much more resilient in the PS than Harden?

SickMother wrote:

Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

I think part of it is also his overall discipline to work within the triangle. Kobe learning how to work so well within it made his teammates better and harder to stop than Harden's offenses I would say where he often ended up shouldering too much of the load.

Cavsfansince84 wrote:

SickMother wrote:

Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

I think part of it is also his overall discipline to work within the triangle. Kobe learning how to work so well within it made his teammates better and harder to stop than Harden's offenses I would say where he often ended up shouldering too much of the load.

Yeah well we never saw Harden with a Pau Gasol or Shaquille O'Neale level big man.

The best we saw was Chris Paul, and that team was likely to beat the greatest team ever assembled [KD/Steph Warriors] except CP3 was injured.

Colbinii wrote:

SickMother wrote:

Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

Is Kobe really that much more resilient in the PS than Harden?

Kobe Career RS: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | .170 WS/48 | 4.6 BPM
Kobe Career PO: 22.4 PER | .541 TS% | .157 WS/48 | 5.4 BPM

Harden Career RS: 24.4 PER | .610 TS% | .219 WS/48 | 6.7 BPM
Harden Career PO: 22.3 PER | .589 TS% | .177 WS/48 | 6.4 BPM

Cavsfansince84 wrote:

SickMother wrote:

Colbinii wrote:What makes Peak/Prime Kobe better than Peak/Prime Harden?

Defense and postseason resilience.

I think part of it is also his overall discipline to work within the triangle. Kobe learning how to work so well within it made his teammates better and harder to stop than Harden's offenses I would say where he often ended up shouldering too much of the load.

Food for thought

Kobe [2008 + 2010 vs Celtics]: 13 G, 354 Points [51.8 TS%], 57 Assists, 50 Turnovers
Harden [2018 + 2019 vs Warriors]: 13 G, 410 Points [56.5 TS%], 76 Assists, 57 Turnovers

Harden [2018 + 2019 vs Warriors w/ CP3]: 11 G, 346 Points [57.24 TS%], 61 Assists, 43 Turnovers

SickMother wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

SickMother wrote:
Defense and postseason resilience.

Is Kobe really that much more resilient in the PS than Harden?

Kobe Career RS: 22.9 PER | .550 TS% | .170 WS/48 | 4.6 BPM
Kobe Career PO: 22.4 PER | .541 TS% | .157 WS/48 | 5.4 BPM

Harden Career RS: 24.4 PER | .610 TS% | .219 WS/48 | 6.7 BPM
Harden Career PO: 22.3 PER | .589 TS% | .177 WS/48 | 6.4 BPM

And throwing in Wade...

Wade Career RS: 23.5 PER | 55.4 TS% | .162 WS/48 | 5.0 BPM
Wade Career PS: 22.4 PER | 54.9 TS% | .155 WS/48 | 5.3 BPM