Could Giannis turn any team into a top 3 team?

[bigboi]

People like to hype Jrue, Middleton and Lopez. Even though they wouldn’t be nearly as good on other teams. I’m curious, is Giannis in the territory of prime Bron where he could go to any team in the league at this point and make them top 5?

I’m just thinking of bottom tier teams. Blazers literally would be best team in the NBA with Giannis. Pacers would be disgusting with Giannis, Haliburton and Mathurin. Hornets with a healthy Lamelo and Giannis would be nasty. Spurs with Pop and Giannis would be crazy. Rockets would be crazy. Only team that might be trouble is Pistons? But with a healthy Cade, I’d put them into top spot as well. What are your thoughts? What teams could he not turn into title contenders?

[Jaivl]

No

Holiday and Lopez were literal all-stars on other teams and Middleton has all-NBA #s without Giannis, IDK about not good.

[70sFan]

Not likely, considering that he didn't turn extremely talented Bucks roster to greater heights.

[bigboi]

No

Holiday and Lopez were literal all-stars on other teams and Middleton has all-NBA #s without Giannis, IDK about not good.

This post is garbage. Lopez and Jrue hadn’t/haven’t made an all star game in literally a decade. Lopez was known throughout his career as a defensive liability until he came to the Bucks. Literally on the downside of his career until he came to the Bucks. Jrue on the other hand is great. But again if you replace Jokic with Giannis, he’d get the same results because his gravity both defensively and offensively is just great. Any team Giannis goes on, he completely changes the defensive culture. What exactly would prevent a team like Pacers, Minnesota or Blazers from becoming contenders if they added Giannis on the squad?

Warned for personal attack - CF

[bigboi]

Not likely, considering that he didn't turn extremely talented Bucks roster to greater heights.

The best team in the league easily and title favorites. Sound silly af

[parsnips33]

Spurs with Giannis is a top 3 team?

[CharityStripe34]

Basketball debating culture has derailed. Elite players with very good teams succeed precisely because said teams smartly build around that player's strengths. Everyone's constantly looking for the "floor raiser," but it's not some zero-sum game where you can shuffle the players like action figures.

How good some of these lower-level teams would be with Gianni would depend on a lot of factors. Or with any of the elite players.

[eminence]

All the bottom 4 would still be well outside of contender status. I find it unlikely the Magic would either, as their guard rotation is still terrible. Maybe the other 25 if you straight up put him on their squads.

[70sFan]

Not likely, considering that he didn't turn extremely talented Bucks roster to greater heights.

The best team in the league easily and title favorites. Sound silly af

They are among contenders, but they don't dominate the league. Bucks without Giannis would likely make the playoffs, it's not some kind of massive carryjob.

[bigboi]

Not likely, considering that he didn't turn extremely talented Bucks roster to greater heights.

The best team in the league easily and title favorites. Sound silly af

They are among contenders, but they don't dominate the league. Bucks without Giannis would likely make the playoffs, it's not some kind of massive carryjob.

Yea, maybe as a play in team lmao. Bucks aren’t more talented than the Pacers. Epsecially considering Kris Middleton has been out majority of the season and pretty garbage for the most part when playing. Teams on pace to hit 60 wins, look like the best team in the league rn by far, I’m confused as to how they’re not dominating rn

[bigboi]

Spurs with Giannis is a top 3 team?

That one’s interesting. What does Pop coaching Giannis look like tbh. Spurs have a terrible roster tho lol

[70sFan]

The best team in the league easily and title favorites. Sound silly af

They are among contenders, but they don't dominate the league. Bucks without Giannis would likely make the playoffs, it's not some kind of massive carryjob.

Yea, maybe as a play in team lmao. Bucks aren’t more talented than the Pacers. Epsecially considering Kris Middleton has been out majority of the season and pretty garbage for the most part when playing. Teams on pace to hit 60 wins, look like the best team in the league rn by far, I’m confused as to how they’re not dominating rn

Have you bothered to check Bucks Net Rating without Giannis on the court and in games Giannis missed?

[Jaivl]

Milwaukee are +0 without Giannis
Milwaukee are +3 without Giannis and Middleton / with Holiday and Lopez
Milwaukee are +4 without Giannis / with either Holiday or Lopez
Milwaukee are +8.5 without Giannis / with Holiday, Lopez and Middleton

Holiday up to 25 pts 9 assists per75 @+0TS% (from 18/7 @+2TS%) without Giannis

and that's the weakest they've been yet with Middleton's injury (+3 without Giannis / with the other 3 over 2021-2023, including postseason). Trash team.

Spurs with Giannis is a top 3 team?

Lol they ain't winning 40.

[bigboi]

They are among contenders, but they don't dominate the league. Bucks without Giannis would likely make the playoffs, it's not some kind of massive carryjob.

Yea, maybe as a play in team lmao. Bucks aren’t more talented than the Pacers. Epsecially considering Kris Middleton has been out majority of the season and pretty garbage for the most part when playing. Teams on pace to hit 60 wins, look like the best team in the league rn by far, I’m confused as to how they’re not dominating rn

Have you bothered to check Bucks Net Rating without Giannis on the court and in games Giannis missed?

None of that stuff matters at all. Especially when looking at sample size. Jrue couldn’t get to the playoffs with a more talented Pels team.

These players might look good in sample size, but simply put in the long run. Team would not be that good. The roster isn’t more talented than the raptors, wizards, bulls, magic, nor the pacers. Don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see that. Giannis joins any of these teams, the bucks would literally trade places and the narrative again would be all star level players this and that.

All of these teams literally have the same exact problems, they suck defensively. Add Giannis to the teams and it completely changes the defensive framework of the teams. Brook Lopez was known as a career defensive liability until he came to the bucks.

[bigboi]

Milwaukee are +0 without Giannis
Milwaukee are +3 without Giannis and Middleton / with Holiday and Lopez
Milwaukee are +4 without Giannis / with either Holiday or Lopez
Milwaukee are +8.5 without Giannis / with Holiday, Lopez and Middleton

Holiday up to 25 pts 9 assists per75 @+0TS% (from 18/7 @+2TS%) without Giannis

and that's the weakest they've been yet with Middleton's injury (+3 without Giannis / with the other 3 over 2021-2023, including postseason). Trash team.

Spurs with Giannis is a top 3 team?

Lol they ain't winning 40.

They’re easily winning 40 in the west. Their roster sucks but end of the day, dude is a top 5 scorer in the league statistically as well as DPOY level defense. Simply put, he’d completely change the team

[70sFan]

Yea, maybe as a play in team lmao. Bucks aren’t more talented than the Pacers. Epsecially considering Kris Middleton has been out majority of the season and pretty garbage for the most part when playing. Teams on pace to hit 60 wins, look like the best team in the league rn by far, I’m confused as to how they’re not dominating rn

Have you bothered to check Bucks Net Rating without Giannis on the court and in games Giannis missed?

None of that stuff matters at all. Especially when looking at sample size. Jrue couldn’t get to the playoffs with a more talented Pels team.

These players might look good in sample size, but simply put in the long run. Team would not be that good. The roster isn’t more talented than the raptors, wizards, bulls, magic, nor the pacers. Don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see that. Giannis joins any of these teams, the bucks would literally trade places and the narrative again would be all star level players this and that.

All of these teams literally have the same exact problems, they suck defensively. Add Giannis to the teams and it completely changes the defensive framework of the teams. Brook Lopez was known as a career defensive liability until he came to the bucks.

I don't think we have anything to talk about if you think that Bucks are not more talented than Magic...

[parsnips33]

Milwaukee are +0 without Giannis
Milwaukee are +3 without Giannis and Middleton / with Holiday and Lopez
Milwaukee are +4 without Giannis / with either Holiday or Lopez
Milwaukee are +8.5 without Giannis / with Holiday, Lopez and Middleton

Holiday up to 25 pts 9 assists per75 @+0TS% (from 18/7 @+2TS%) without Giannis

and that's the weakest they've been yet with Middleton's injury (+3 without Giannis / with the other 3 over 2021-2023, including postseason). Trash team.

Spurs with Giannis is a top 3 team?

Lol they ain't winning 40.

They’re easily winning 40 in the west. Their roster sucks but end of the day, dude is a top 5 scorer in the league statistically as well as DPOY level defense. Simply put, he’d completely change the team

I dare you to name the other 14 players on that Spurs roster without looking it up

[bigboi]

Milwaukee are +0 without Giannis
Milwaukee are +3 without Giannis and Middleton / with Holiday and Lopez
Milwaukee are +4 without Giannis / with either Holiday or Lopez
Milwaukee are +8.5 without Giannis / with Holiday, Lopez and Middleton

Holiday up to 25 pts 9 assists per75 @+0TS% (from 18/7 @+2TS%) without Giannis

and that's the weakest they've been yet with Middleton's injury (+3 without Giannis / with the other 3 over 2021-2023, including postseason). Trash team.


Lol they ain't winning 40.

They’re easily winning 40 in the west. Their roster sucks but end of the day, dude is a top 5 scorer in the league statistically as well as DPOY level defense. Simply put, he’d completely change the team

I dare you to name the other 14 players on that Spurs roster without looking it up

I can’t name 14 players on any roster other than the Celtics. Again most of these teams’ problems stem from defense. Once you add at DPOY player, completely changes the dynamic. Giannis is the best rim protector in the league statistically while adding 30+ ppg and elite rebounding. He would clearly win 40+ games with the spurs coupled with pop. The team was literally a 34 win team last season with Dejounte Murray….

[bigboi]

Have you bothered to check Bucks Net Rating without Giannis on the court and in games Giannis missed?

None of that stuff matters at all. Especially when looking at sample size. Jrue couldn’t get to the playoffs with a more talented Pels team.

These players might look good in sample size, but simply put in the long run. Team would not be that good. The roster isn’t more talented than the raptors, wizards, bulls, magic, nor the pacers. Don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see that. Giannis joins any of these teams, the bucks would literally trade places and the narrative again would be all star level players this and that.

All of these teams literally have the same exact problems, they suck defensively. Add Giannis to the teams and it completely changes the defensive framework of the teams. Brook Lopez was known as a career defensive liability until he came to the bucks.

I don't think we have anything to talk about if you think that Bucks are not more talented than Magic...

comparable especially considering Middleton has been injured and not the same… Magic is on pace to hit over 30+ games for the season. Bucks would literally be the same type of team.

Team is 9-6 this season and 6-9 last season without Giannis.

[tsherkin]

Definitely not any team, no.