This 50s/60s/70s player x was like this modern player y, but a better (worse) version! Your takes!

sepulchre · Post #1 » by **sepulchre** » Wed May 10, 2023 1:27 pm

Hey,

I have a hard time to classify old era players. I have limited knowledge about them, but I disagree about not to compare those players with modern players. It is not their fault they didn't live today. Also it is not their fault if they didn't have today's rules. Imagine having the 3-pt line from the begin, most likely many players would average more points because it is more efficient to shoot 3s. The paint is less cramped, etc.

So to offset this, in my mind I try to give that premodern player the same access modern players get today. So better education, training from childhood begin, modern medicine (PEDs, operations, healing), modern training methods, modern coaching methods and strategies, modern travelling, modern human rights, modern facilities, modern game rules etc.

So basically in my mind I ask "what if premodern player x had the same opportunities like modern players, he would be just like player y, but a better version of that". This helps me to understand what kind of a player they were by finding a similar type of modern player like them.

Especially the argument about "they played against milkmen" is absurd. Maybe they did (not true), but then again they had by far less access to all of things above, so it equals it out. Imagine how Wilt or Russell dominated those "milkmen". Now imagine them having todays PEDs and training facilities, modern coaches, modern basketball strategies, chefs, nutritions, etc. how much a monster they would be then? Of course it equals it out again since modern players are also better on average because of their access to all of these things.

And by doing that I try to do my tier list with this method. But since my knowledge about premodern players is limited and not in-depth because I never educated myself enough, I wanted to ask people with more knowledge and want to see their takes on it. But still with my limited knowledge I have my own opinion ofc.

This is my 5x4 tier list btw. (my top 20). I don't like to rank them in order, but in tiers (alphabetically). To me there is no 1 GOAT, but 4 GOATs. Then there is the next tier etc.

Tier 1 - Jordan, Kareem, LeBron, Wilt

Tier 2 - Hakeem, Magic, Robertson, Russell

Tier 3 - Bird, Duncan, Shaq, West

Tier 4 - Curry, Elgin, K. Malone, Stockton

Tier 5 - Durant, Erving, Kobe, Moses

But I think I am prone to recency bias which is why I am interested to know your takes about premodern players. Maybe I am overlooking some older players?

For example a take of mine would be which I use to rank them:

- Bill Russell was like Dwight Howard, but better.
- Wilt was like Karl Malone, but better.

I may be wrong of course but this is how I imagine them in my head (based also on the footages, similar stats, similar strengths, etc.).

Can you find similar players to these premodern players below, so I have a better understanding of them? Feel free to also include other players I didn't mention.

For better reading purposes, you can replace "X was like Y, but better" with a " > ".
So instead of "Bill Russell was like Dwight Howard, but better." you can use instead "Bill Russell > Dwight Howard"

Your takes:

- Alex English:
- Bill Russell:
- Bob Cousy:
- Bob Lanier:
- Bob McAdoo:
- Bob Pettit:
- Elgin Baylor:
- Elvin Hayes:
- George Mikan:
- Jerry West:
- John Havlicek:
- Julius Erving:
- Nate Thurmond:
- Oscar Robertson:
- Pete Maravich:
- Rick Barry:
- Sam Jones:
- Spencer Haywood:
- Tom Heinsohn:
- Walt Frazier:
- Wes Unseld:
- Willis Reed:
- Wilt Chamberlain:

Thanks.

Dr Positivity · Post #2 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed May 10, 2023 2:29 pm

No easy comps and some of them are worse versions rather than better versions:

English: Midrange dominant Middleton
Russell: GOAT shotblocker Noah
Cousy: Jason White Chocolate/Westbrook
Lanier: Pau Gasol
McAdoo: Towns
Pettit: Karl Malone
Baylor: Worse Lebron
Hayes: Ironman Jermaine O"Neal
Mikan: Duncan
West: Manu
Havlicek: Marion
Erving: Bigger Wade
Thurmond: Sheed
Oscar: Bigger CP3
Maravich: Trae
Barry: Tatum
Jones: Beal
Haywood: Not most knowledgeable about him
Heinsohn: Randle
Frazier: Holiday
Unseld: Looney with Draymond's passing
Reed: Better Horford
Wilt: Cousins

sepulchre · Post #3 » by **sepulchre** » Wed May 10, 2023 2:46 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:No easy comps and some of them are worse versions rather than better versions:
Pettit: Karl Malone
Mikan: Duncan
West: Manu
Wilt: Cousins

Ahh, thank you, exactly what I was looking for. Also it is okay if you also use worse versions if it makes more sense to you.

Interesting take.

So based on your comparisons I am undervalueing Pettit and Mikan, since you compare them to Karl Malone and Duncan (both in my tier list), but I don't have Pettit or Mikan in my tier list.

Especially rating Mikan as high as Duncan is very interesting. Never seen Duncan compared to Mikan before. And since Duncan is in my tier 3 list, I should take a closer look at Mikan.

Also very interesting take on West. I never imagined him like a Manu-type player but like a true PG but white (like Chris Paul but better?) Care to eloborate?

Wilt vs. Cousins is also a hot take imo. I mean I get it from the angle that both were very impactful and dominating. But I believe Wilt was the most gifted (in terms of biology) and most athletical player of all time. He was a complete athlete, agile, strong, skilled, etc. But Cousins to me is like a "fatty" if you get what I mean. Like a worse version of Shaq. But maybe I am wrong, would be interesting to see your take on how you find Wilt similar to Cousins.

Thanks.

Dr Positivity · Post #4 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed May 10, 2023 3:14 pm

sepulchre wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:No easy comps and some of them are worse versions rather than better versions:
Pettit: Karl Malone
Mikan: Duncan
West: Manu
Wilt: Cousins

Ahh, thank you, exactly what I was looking for. Also it is okay if you also use worse versions if it makes more sense to you.

Interesting take.

So based on your comparisons I am undervalueing Pettit and Mikan, since you compare them to Karl Malone and Duncan (both in my tier list), but I don't have Pettit or Mikan in my tier list.

Especially rating Mikan as high as Duncan is very interesting. Never seen Duncan compared to Mikan before. And since Duncan is in my tier 3 list, I should take a closer look at Mikan.

Also very interesting take on West. I never imagined him like a Manu-type player but like a true PG but white (like Chris Paul but better?) Care to eloborate?

Wilt vs. Cousins is also a hot take imo. I mean I get it from the angle that both were very impactful and dominating. But I believe Wilt was the most gifted (in terms of biology) and most athletical player of all time. He was a complete athlete, agile, strong, skilled, etc. But Cousins to me is like a "fatty" if you get what I mean. Like a worse version of Shaq. But maybe I am wrong, would be interesting to see your take on how you find Wilt similar to Cousins.

Thanks.

Mikan's peak vs his era is probably the highest of all time however you have to consider that segregated non shotclock competition is not as good, and his impact the last few years of his prime when the competition is better recedes a bit to Duncan/Hakeem level impact (no longer the best offensive player in the league, but still best when you consider defense). A lot of people think he wouldn't be able to play today, I wouldn't go that far, but he might be closer to a normal level all star.

Pettit to me gets a little underrated cause he gets treated like a shotclock era player when he is really closer to Russell/West/Oscar, I have heard not just great but legendary motor/toughness and the original shooting PF, so Malone seemed decent pick

West has much more size than Paul, the Manu comp isn't perfect as he is more of a true PG but I couldn't really think of many others, I toyed with Booker also but West is definitely better passer. I REALLY like the Oscar and Paul comparison in terms of their ornery floor general personality.

Wilt is way more of a physical specimen than Cousins, but I think his skillset is more like Cousins than Shaq, somewhat frustrating personality wise but probably not as much as Cousins. Maybe Embiid was a better pick there. Again these comps are never perfect.

sepulchre · Post #5 » by **sepulchre** » Wed May 10, 2023 4:29 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Again these comps are never perfect.

All good, no worries. I am not here to criticize or challenge your takes. On the opposite, I am interested in seeing your takes whatever they may be. I am also not in a position to judge any of you, I am just curious about the point of views and angles you guys will take. So I can see different takes and opinions and integrate them into my own world. So I am asking out of curiousity and to understand what I am missing or what I don't realize etc. And I may also question it, but with good intentions of course.

Mikan's peak vs his era is probably the highest of all time however... A lot of people think he wouldn't be able to play today, I wouldn't go that far, but he might be closer to a normal level all star.

But if he is closer to a normal level all star, why did you find him closer to Duncan instead of say Al Horford for example? I mean Duncan is not just some normal level all star, most likely a top 20 player of all time or at least miles above normal allstars. Not trying to criticize or judge you or anything, and no comparisons are perfect as you say, but I find it a bit contradicting. So if he was not close to a Duncan but to a normal allstar, why did you pick Duncan?

Wilt is way more of a physical specimen than Cousins, but I think his skillset is more like Cousins than Shaq, somewhat frustrating personality wise but probably not as much as Cousins. Maybe Embiid was a better pick there.

Hmm, interesting.
When I think about Wilt, Cousins or Shaq are not what I imagine him to be.

I imagine him being a better Robinson or Karl Malone or Ewing. Embiid is also a good pick but I think Embiid is a too passive of a player. To me Embiid for example walks with his butt out, like his posture is in a bad form like his body/bones can't handle the height and weight.
But Robinson or Malone have this perfect monster body and they could jump very high. So athletically speaking Wilt was like them, just better. Malone's body is probably top 5 body too, but this shows of gifted Wilt was. Ewing has a less impressive body though but still very athletic. Embiid can never handle such athleticsm. But in terms of game style I see a resemblance though. But you can also disagree with me, I am open for critique.

Dr Positivity · Post #6 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed May 10, 2023 9:07 pm

sepulchre wrote:I imagine him being a better Robinson or Karl Malone or Ewing. Embiid is also a good pick but I think Embiid is a too passive of a player. To me Embiid for example walks with his butt out, like his posture is in a bad form like his body/bones can't handle the height and weight.
But Robinson or Malone have this perfect monster body and they could jump very high. So athletically speaking Wilt was like them, just better. Malone's body is probably top 5 body too, but this shows of gifted Wilt was. Ewing has a less impressive body though but still very athletic. Embiid can never handle such athleticsm. But in terms of game style I see a resemblance though. But you can also disagree with me, I am open for critique.

Wilt size/athletic talent wise is like in shape Shaq, however it's like he is more self conscious about being a big man and wants to prove he can anything a guard can hence eventually leading the league in assists, being one of the first players to do the finger roll and I believe having one of the best fadeaway jumpers of all time for a center.

sepulchre · Post #7 » by **sepulchre** » Thu May 11, 2023 11:03 am

Anybody else who wants to share his take?

I would love to hear more about it but I guess only handful of people have enough knowledge to make a comparison.

Post #8 » by **penbeast0** » Thu May 11, 2023 11:34 am

Karl Malone also had that fadeaway as his go to shot from the post so that's a comp.

A lot of others have knowledge here but OP has a lot of players and I just don't have the time right now to give them all a proper treatment.

70sFan · Post #9 » by **70sFan** » Thu May 11, 2023 7:12 pm

My rough attempt, I also decided to include videos that represent each player quite well (in my opinion):

- Alex English: no easy comparison, moved without the ball a lot and lived in midrange area. Very long and fairly athletic as well. Middleton isn't a bad comparison, but he was better off-ball mover with better passing chops in my opinion.

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- Bill Russell: a fusion of Draymond Green and Bam Adebayo, but with GOAT-level athleticism.

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- Bob Cousy: hard to find a perfect comparison, at his peak he was like a smaller Magic Johnson (transition monster and amazing passer) without a post game and questionable shooting selection.

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- Bob Lanier: excellent offensive bigman with no clear weakness, less athletic but more fundamentally sound Joel Embiid, though weaker defensively

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- Bob McAdoo: slightly more inside oriented Kevin Durant, excellent scorer

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- Bob Pettit: very skilled scorer, capable of creating shots outside and inside, rough rebounder and great at drawing fouls. Someone like Karl Malone with worse passing, but better faceup game

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- Elgin Baylor: insane isolation scorer with great physical profile, very capable passer and ball-handler as well. Bigger (though not better) Dwyane Wade?

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- Elvin Hayes: I like Jermaine O'Neal comparison, excellent defender and very durable player, but very mediocre scorer and limited offensive player.

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- George Mikan: no easy comparison, very smart passer and dominant post player, maybe more physical, but less refined version of Nikola Jokic (of course adjusting for era)

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- Jerry West: all-time great scorer and excellent playmaker, if you give 2023 playoffs version of Booker top tier defensive skills he'd be quite close

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- John Havlicek: much better passing, but worse shooting version of Klay Thompson with much better motor on both ends of the floor

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- Julius Erving: one of the greatest athletes ever at his position, more athletic but worse defensive version of Jimmy Butler

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- Nate Thurmond: no easy comparison, GOAT post defender and unbelievably focused man defender. Can't find a good comparison to be honest, a bigger Anthony Davis with a quarter offensive skills? Maybe Sheed isn't a bad comparison either.

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- Oscar Robertson: much bigger version of Chris Paul, midrange maestro and excellent playmaker.

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- Pete Maravich: very flashy and talented player who is overrated by media. Can't find a proper example, maybe someone like a bigger Trae Young?

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- Rick Barry: off-ball savant with underrated passing skills. Smaller, more athletic and perimeter oriented, but less refined version of Larry Bird.

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- Sam Jones: clutch off-ball shooter like Ray Allen (though with shorter range)

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- Spencer Haywood: Blake Griffin

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- Tom Heinsohn: circus shot artist, but not very efficient. Smart team player who could fill multiple roles. Julius Randle for scoring profile, but a better passer and defender.

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- Walt Frazier: Jrue Holiday with a reliable midrange game, very smooth player who was resilient against defensive pressure

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- Wes Unseld: Steven Adams with significantly better passing skills

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- Willis Reed: smaller and less athletic Hakeem on offense, tough and rough defender in Karl Malone mold

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- Wilt Chamberlain: no contemporary player resembles him, Duncan/Shaq hybrid on offense with all-time level defensive pressence

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Post #10 » by **Doctor MJ** » Thu May 11, 2023 7:35 pm

I'll take a stab at it.

- Alex English: > Carmelo Anthony
- Bill Russell: > Rudy Gobert
- Bob Cousy: < Trae Young
- Bob Lanier: < Joel Embiid
- Bob McAdoo: < Kevin Durant
- Bob Pettit: < Larry Bird
- Elgin Baylor: > Anthony Edwards
- Elvin Hayes: < Tim Duncan
- George Mikan: < Dwight Howard
- Jerry West: > Dwyane Wade
- John Havlicek: < Jimmy Butler
- Julius Erving: < Michael Jordan
- Nate Thurmond: > Steven Adams
- Oscar Robertson: > Chris Paul
- Pete Maravich: < Magic Johnson
- Rick Barry: > Devin Booker
- Sam Jones: > Jamal Murray
- Spencer Haywood: < Amar'e Stoudemire
- Tom Heinsohn: < DeMar DeRozan
- Walt Frazier: > Jrue Holiday
- Wes Unseld: > PJ Tucker
- Willis Reed: < Karl Malone
- Wilt Chamberlain: > Anthony Davis

O_6 · Post #11 » by **O_6** » Thu May 11, 2023 8:00 pm

- Alex English: Carmelo Anthony type of SF scorer
- Bill Russell: Better/Stronger AD on Defense, Bam Adebayo w/ worse shooting + better lob threat on O
- Bob Cousy: Steve Nash w/ ordinary shooting (small talented offensive star with defensive issues)
- Bob McAdoo: Super big scorer, somewhere in the middle of Towns and post-OKC Durant
- Elgin Baylor: Powerfully built but compact rim attacker (bigger/slower D-Wade)
- Jerry West: Lanky with killer pull-up, kind of a better Booker on offense but with great defense
- John Havlicek: More durable Manu
- Julius Erving: LeBron/Giannis-like freak rim attacker, better version of Wiggins elsewhere
- Nate Thurmond: Dominant Rudy Gobert-type rim protector with limited offense, maybe better on D
- Oscar Robertson: Like a CP3/Paul Pierce hybrid, controlled the game like CP3 but stronger scorer
- Pete Maravich: Allen Iverson? Iconic and fun playmakers with significant cultural impact
- Sam Jones: Brandon Roy-ish 2nd tier star SG
- Walt Frazier: Jrue Holiday w/ much better mid-range shooting, smaller Spurs Kawhi w/ passing skills
- Willis Reed: More of a big/strong PF than C imo, tougher Karl Malone w/ better defense but less scoring
- Wilt Chamberlain: Bigger/better version of Orlando Magic Dwight w/ Sabonis-like passing

OhayoKD · Post #12 » by **OhayoKD** » Thu May 11, 2023 8:26 pm

Bob Cousy: current Westbrook

Elgin Baylor: RJ Barrett’s high end projection

Jerry West: volume scorer Austin Reaves

Post #13 » by **penbeast0** » Thu May 11, 2023 9:40 pm

OhayoKD wrote:Bob Cousy: current Westbrook

Elgin Baylor: RJ Barrett’s high end projection

Jerry West: volume scorer Austin Reaves

Boy, those are ugly comps. Closer are:

Jerry West, the Steph Curry of his day with better defense
Elgin Baylor, LeBron without the playmaking
prime (pre-Russell) Bob Cousy, Trae Young

Post #14 » by **penbeast0** » Thu May 11, 2023 9:48 pm

O_6 wrote:- Alex English: Carmelo Anthony type of SF scorer plus a great attitude and better playmaking
- Bill Russell: Better/Stronger AD on Defense, Bam Adebayo w/ worse shooting + better lob threat on O combined with Dennis Rodman level rebounding
- Bob Cousy: Steve Nash w/ ordinary shooting (small talented offensive star with defensive issues)
- Bob McAdoo: Super big scorer, somewhere in the middle of Towns and post-OKC Durant
- Elgin Baylor: Powerfully built but compact rim attacker (bigger/slower D-Wade)
- Jerry West: Lanky with killer pull-up, kind of a better Booker on offense but with great defense Who developed great playmaking and led the league in assists as he got older
- John Havlicek: More durable Manu -- Don't see this one at all
- Julius Erving: LeBron/Giannis-like freak rim attacker, better version of Wiggins elsewhere
- Nate Thurmond: Dominant Rudy Gobert-type rim protector with limited offense, maybe better on D More a rich man's Mark Gasol or Joachim Noah as he was known for man defense even more than rim protection but with Jermaine O'Neal's offense
- Oscar Robertson: Like a CP3/Paul Pierce hybrid, controlled the game like CP3 but stronger scorer -- or a LeBron who thought of himself as a playmaking guard first, scorer after
- Pete Maravich: Allen Iverson? Iconic and fun playmakers with significant cultural impact
- Sam Jones: Brandon Roy-ish 2nd tier star SG
- Walt Frazier: Jrue Holiday w/ much better mid-range shooting, smaller Spurs Kawhi w/ passing skills
- Willis Reed: More of a big/strong PF than C imo, tougher Karl Malone w/ better defense but less scoring -- Not as tough as Malone either mentally or (especially) physically particularly in terms of injuries, but more of a model citizen
- Wilt Chamberlain: Bigger/better version of Orlando Magic Dwight w/ Sabonis-like passing -- arguably the least able to quote a modern equivalent. I'd say a slimmer version of Shaq who had a LeBron like workout regime and mentality.

OhayoKD · Post #15 » by **OhayoKD** » Thu May 11, 2023 11:36 pm

penbeast0 wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:Bob Cousy: current Westbrook

Elgin Baylor: RJ Barrett’s high end projection

Jerry West: volume scorer Austin Reaves

Boy, those are ugly comps. Closer are:

Jerry West, the Steph Curry of his day with better defense
Elgin Baylor, LeBron without the playmaking
prime (pre-Russell) Bob Cousy, Trae Young

KD or MJ seems like a better west comp to me. Don't have a strong opinion on the others though from what i've seen cousy seems more like a less talented jokic than trae

ZeppelinPage · Post #16 » by **ZeppelinPage** » Fri May 12, 2023 3:53 am

I'm a fan of both 70sFan's and Doctor MJ's lists.

A more athletic and mobile Rudy Gobert with better passing ability is a solid modern-day comparison for Russell.

I think you could certainly argue that 70sFan's version of Jerry West is a top-10 player. Personally, I believe he is.

The thought of Bob Cousy as a smaller Magic Johnson is something I've never considered, but there are definitely similarities there. Cousy, I'd say, is a similar archetype to Trae Young, but a worse shooter and a better passer, defender, and ball-stealer, with exceptional stamina.

Post #17 » by **penbeast0** » Fri May 12, 2023 11:35 am

OhayoKD wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:Bob Cousy: current Westbrook

Elgin Baylor: RJ Barrett’s high end projection

Jerry West: volume scorer Austin Reaves

Boy, those are ugly comps. Closer are:

Jerry West, the Steph Curry of his day with better defense
Elgin Baylor, LeBron without the playmaking
prime (pre-Russell) Bob Cousy, Trae Young

KD or MJ seems like a better west comp to me. Don't have a strong opinion on the others though from what i've seen cousy seems more like a less talented jokic than trae

West didn't use size and strength particularly, he was known as the best outside shooter in the league with a quick release before the defender could get up in the air (apparently he used to give his last dribble some extra power so the ball would be rising quickly into his jump before he even started the shot). KD uses his great length to shoot over people, MJ used his strength and hangtime to bully people, West was more a crafty finisher than a skywalker.

Cousy v. Trae. Small PG with great playmaking whose defense was problematic enough early on that Auerbach publicly didn't want him. Tended to shotboat and call his own number a lot even when it wasn't working. Trae rather than Lillard because Cousy was at his best as a young player and slipped when he got older while Lillard has adapted well as he has aged. We don't know about Trae yet.

UcanUwill · Post #18 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:20 pm

I always saw Jerry West as a better Juan Carlos Navarro. Maybe NBA fans would say its an insult, but I said better, and Navarro was pretty good.

Samurai · Post #19 » by **Samurai** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:40 pm

OhayoKD wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:Bob Cousy: current Westbrook

Elgin Baylor: RJ Barrett’s high end projection

Jerry West: volume scorer Austin Reaves

Boy, those are ugly comps. Closer are:

Jerry West, the Steph Curry of his day with better defense
Elgin Baylor, LeBron without the playmaking
prime (pre-Russell) Bob Cousy, Trae Young

KD or MJ seems like a better west comp to me. Don't have a strong opinion on the others though from what i've seen cousy seems more like a less talented jokic than trae

West's style of play was more similar to Curry than KD or MJ. While West was a combo guard, he played the point much more than he played the off-guard. Today he is often considered a SG because of his tremendous outside shooting but his actual role was more frequently as the team's PG. Curry is the greatest shooter ever and a huge threat when he plays off-ball, but his primary role on the Warriors is as the PG (if Klay dribbles the ball more than twice, bad things tend to happen. 8-)

). KD is rarely if ever asked to play the point and MJ was a combo guard that played the SG far more often than the PG (kinda the opposite of how combo guard West was used). The other point of similarity is the pull-up jumper. When Curry hit his stride, fans noticed that he had the quickest pull-up jumper since.....Jerry West! Curry and West actually discussed that point during West's time as an executive with the Warriors.

sepulchre · Post #20 » by **sepulchre** » Fri May 12, 2023 6:01 pm

Thanks everyone for sharing their opinions.
Especially seeing these giant users of RealGM which I follow made me very happy. Your takes mean a lot to me.

70sFan wrote:My rough attempt, I also decided to include videos that represent each player quite well (in my opinion):

Much much appreciated. This was very helpful to understand the point of views you have, really. I will quote some parts which I find very interesting. Btw. you posted the same Bob Lanier video twice, wrongly for Bob McAdoo as well, fyi.

- Bill Russell: a fusion of Draymond Green and Bam Adebayo, but with GOAT-level athleticism.

Do you have Bill or Wilt higher in your rankings? If you have seen my list from 1st post, I put Wilt in my tier 1 list but Bill in tier 2. If I did it in order, I would probably put Bill as 5th on my list. But I am not sure if I do justice or injustice in this case.

- Bob Cousy: hard to find a perfect comparison, at his peak he was like a smaller Magic Johnson (transition monster and amazing passer) without a post game and questionable shooting selection.

Not sure if I can follow this point of view. I see him being a transition monster and amazing passer, the footage is great btw, but a smaller version of Magic? He looks like more of a JJ Barea to me. So a better version of him. So nowhere near Magic or any other alltime PG. Because he is small and his body type doesn't look like it would have translated well in modern times. He would be like a rotation player and a leader of the 2nd unit with his passing and transitioning. But I don't see him lasting on defense at all. Am I wrong?

- Bob McAdoo: slightly more inside oriented Kevin Durant, excellent scorer

Would you put him on the same level as Durant or what? Like a top 17-20 player alltime level good? Or a weaker version of Durant, so like ~50-70th place or sth?

- Bob Pettit: very skilled scorer, capable of creating shots outside and inside, rough rebounder and great at drawing fouls. Someone like Karl Malone with worse passing, but better faceup game

Whre do you put him on your rankings?

- Julius Erving: one of the greatest athletes ever at his position, more athletic but worse defensive version of Jimmy Butler

Would you put Erving or Elgin higher on your list? Or between Elgin, Erving, Moses Malone how would you rank them?