2013-2014 playoff Spurs Vs 2022-2023 playoff Heat

[GSP]

2 of the smartest, best executed most disciplined playoff teams of alltime that clicked and were running through teams

Miami has been far more an underdog story but both were incredible playoff runs

Miami became the first team to beat Denver since March..........Theyve lost 4 home games all season w/ Jokic playing before tonight

from these 2 playoff runs which team was better?

[TheGOATRises007]

If this is a question about who's the better team, it's clearly the Spurs.

In terms of which run is better? I think the Heat's run is more impressive, because you didn't really see it coming at all. They took out the Bucks in 5. Went 3-0 up on the Celtics. Suffer a devastating loss in g6 and then come back to destroy them in g7.

Though you could argue the Spurs' dismantling of the Heat was hard to foresee too.

[GSP]

If this is a question about who's the better team, it's clearly the Spurs.

In terms of which run is better? I think the Heat's run is more impressive, because you didn't really see it coming at all. They took out the Bucks in 5. Went 3-0 up on the Celtics. Suffer a devastating loss in g6 and then come back to destroy them in g7.

Though you could argue the Spurs' dismantling of the Heat was hard to foresee too.

Id argue what Heat did to Bucks was more shocking. They won 2 games in Milwaukee too ended in 5 lost all 3 games Giannis played too.

Im not sure if Spurs were better if its just playoffs........Spurs are better if we include whole year including Rs. 14 Spurs got taken to 7 by a subpar Mavs team. Went 2-2 Okc when Ibaka played too Okc just had no chance w/ Serge injured first 2 games since they were always a shallow team w/ weak offensive supporting so not having their 3rd best player was a bad hole to dig out of

[One_and_Done]

What the Heat did would have been more impressive if Giannis was healthy, but he wasn't. After game 4 the guy had to go on an IV drip, and he was never right. Play that series 100 times and the Bucks win 95 times.

[AdagioPace]

If this is a question about who's the better team, it's clearly the Spurs.

In terms of which run is better? I think the Heat's run is more impressive, because you didn't really see it coming at all. They took out the Bucks in 5. Went 3-0 up on the Celtics. Suffer a devastating loss in g6 and then come back to destroy them in g7.

Though you could argue the Spurs' dismantling of the Heat was hard to foresee too.

Id argue what Heat did to Bucks was more shocking. They won 2 games in Milwaukee too ended in 5 lost all 3 games Giannis played too.

Im not sure if Spurs were better if its just playoffs........Spurs are better if we include whole year including Rs. 14 Spurs got taken to 7 by a subpar Mavs team. Went 2-2 Okc when Ibaka played too Okc just had no chance w/ Serge injured first 2 games since they were always a shallow team w/ weak offensive supporting so not having their 3rd best player was a bad hole to dig out of

So we're just ignoring Spurs 14,53 (!!) playoffs SRS because.....meh ."7 games series with mavs"

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[GSP]

If this is a question about who's the better team, it's clearly the Spurs.

In terms of which run is better? I think the Heat's run is more impressive, because you didn't really see it coming at all. They took out the Bucks in 5. Went 3-0 up on the Celtics. Suffer a devastating loss in g6 and then come back to destroy them in g7.

Though you could argue the Spurs' dismantling of the Heat was hard to foresee too.

Id argue what Heat did to Bucks was more shocking. They won 2 games in Milwaukee too ended in 5 lost all 3 games Giannis played too.

Im not sure if Spurs were better if its just playoffs........Spurs are better if we include whole year including Rs. 14 Spurs got taken to 7 by a subpar Mavs team. Went 2-2 Okc when Ibaka played too Okc just had no chance w/ Serge injured first 2 games since they were always a shallow team w/ weak offensive supporting so not having their 3rd best player was a bad hole to dig out of

So we're just ignoring Spurs 14,53 playoffs SRS because.....meh ."7 games series with mavs"
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It seems inflated w/ the first 2 games against Okc w/o Ibaka..........they were up +52 after first 2 games........Okc was a top heavy team some of worst depth of a contender and arguably worst offensive talent outside of Kd and Russ. They looked horrific w/o Serge but it was far more competitive series going 2-2 when he played

They dominated a pretty good Blazers team. Had a competitive dogfight w/ a meh Mavs team.

Then they pulverized a Heat team running on fumes. Miami was on their last leg in playoffs specially on defense. Their playoff defense was atrocious against Brooklyn (who almost pushed 6 games) and Indiana 2 really bad offenses.

14 Spurs were alltime...........but i dont buy the inflated Srs of them being Goat level or much better than 13 team.........

[AdagioPace]

Id argue what Heat did to Bucks was more shocking. They won 2 games in Milwaukee too ended in 5 lost all 3 games Giannis played too.

Im not sure if Spurs were better if its just playoffs........Spurs are better if we include whole year including Rs. 14 Spurs got taken to 7 by a subpar Mavs team. Went 2-2 Okc when Ibaka played too Okc just had no chance w/ Serge injured first 2 games since they were always a shallow team w/ weak offensive supporting so not having their 3rd best player was a bad hole to dig out of

So we're just ignoring Spurs 14,53 playoffs SRS because.....meh ."7 games series with mavs"
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It seems inflated w/ the first 2 games against Okc w/o Ibaka..........they were up +52 after first 2 games........Okc was a top heavy team some of worst depth of a contender and arguably worst offensive talent outside of Kd and Russ. They looked horrific w/o Serge but it was far more competitive series going 2-2 when he played

They dominated a pretty good Blazers team. Had a competitive dogfight w/ a meh Mavs team.

Then they pulverized a Heat team running on fumes. Miami was on their last leg in playoffs specially on defense. Their playoff defense was atrocious against Brooklyn (who almost pushed 6 games) and Indiana 2 really bad offenses.

14 Spurs were alltime...........but i dont buy the inflated Srs of them being Goat level or much better than 13 team.........

you can isolate, pinpoint details, and deem as inflated any run you want in history. Numbers are there over a convincing sample.
Here is the thing: either you think 2023 Miami is an all-time great team disguised as cinderella, or Spurs dominant RS AND PS were 100 lucky games.

PS: nope, 2013 SA was not as good as the 2014 Spurs ,especially on the offensive side. Less isolations by TD, Parker, more ball movement, better team 3p% (1st in the league), more assists (1st of course) than the previous season, an all time deep team with absurd bench shooting and playmaking. I can't even remember how many lineups Spurs had with weird combinations that were outscoring opponents every night.

[PhiEaglesfan712]

If this is a question about who's the better team, it's clearly the Spurs.

In terms of which run is better? I think the Heat's run is more impressive, because you didn't really see it coming at all. They took out the Bucks in 5. Went 3-0 up on the Celtics. Suffer a devastating loss in g6 and then come back to destroy them in g7.

Though you could argue the Spurs' dismantling of the Heat was hard to foresee too.

Id argue what Heat did to Bucks was more shocking. They won 2 games in Milwaukee too ended in 5 lost all 3 games Giannis played too.

Im not sure if Spurs were better if its just playoffs........Spurs are better if we include whole year including Rs. 14 Spurs got taken to 7 by a subpar Mavs team. Went 2-2 Okc when Ibaka played too Okc just had no chance w/ Serge injured first 2 games since they were always a shallow team w/ weak offensive supporting so not having their 3rd best player was a bad hole to dig out of

So we're just ignoring Spurs 14,53 (!!) playoffs SRS because.....meh ."7 games series with mavs"

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There's a lot of recency bias going on with the 2022-23 Heat. People seem to forget how bad they were in the play-in. They lost to Atlanta and nearly lost to 10-seed Chicago, which would have resulted them in missing the playoffs altogether.

Anyone with no bias knows that the 2013-14 Spurs were better. So what if they had a 7 game series with the Mavs? I think losing a play-in game and nearly losing another to a 10-seed is worse.

[OhayoKD]

Id argue what Heat did to Bucks was more shocking. They won 2 games in Milwaukee too ended in 5 lost all 3 games Giannis played too.

Im not sure if Spurs were better if its just playoffs........Spurs are better if we include whole year including Rs. 14 Spurs got taken to 7 by a subpar Mavs team. Went 2-2 Okc when Ibaka played too Okc just had no chance w/ Serge injured first 2 games since they were always a shallow team w/ weak offensive supporting so not having their 3rd best player was a bad hole to dig out of

So we're just ignoring Spurs 14,53 (!!) playoffs SRS because.....meh ."7 games series with mavs"

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There's a lot of recency bias going on with the 2022-23 Heat. People seem to forget how bad they were in the play-in. They lost to Atlanta and nearly lost to 10-seed Chicago, which would have resulted them in missing the playoffs altogether.

Anyone with no bias knows that the 2013-14 Spurs were better. So what if they had a 7 game series with the Mavs? I think losing a play-in game and nearly losing another to a 10-seed is worse.

Being better era-relative does not necessarily translate to winning a matchup

[OhayoKD]

What the Heat did would have been more impressive if Giannis was healthy, but he wasn't. After game 4 the guy had to go on an IV drip, and he was never right. Play that series 100 times and the Bucks win 95 times.

I mean, they beat a similar calibre of opponent in the Celtics short-handed

[Eagle4]

What the Heat did would have been more impressive if Giannis was healthy, but he wasn't. After game 4 the guy had to go on an IV drip, and he was never right. Play that series 100 times and the Bucks win 95 times.

[ShotCreator]

The Spurs are better virtually top to bottom.

Much bigger frontline, with even more skill. Much bigger more athletic wings in Kawhi and Green. Much better passers and ballhandlers all over the roster.

Shooting is the only area where this is even close. And if you don't have the passing and ballhandling of SA, you're not gonna create enough shots to make it matter in the first place.

There was an article about 14 SA that came out after the finals that showed Pop pretty much told SA to play space and pace before space and pace after game 2 in the Finals and they scaled up the shooting and passing to a ridiculous level at will. There's no era gap on play style or skill whatsoever when it comes down to it.

People think about the hot shooting and "team play" of SA first but defensively it's not even somewhat close. I'll make a statement. If SA was an average offense this is still them over Miami in any era. Just outside Duncan and Kawhi. Ginobili, Mills and Green were fast and smart on defense. Danny was flat out elite defensively and this was peak as well. Even the older Toronto and LA Danny Greens were good and important but he was much more spry up to 2016.

Tiago Splitter was quietly a nightmare defensively and put Lamarcus Aldridge and Dirk Nowitizki in some of the most physical, uncomfortable series of their lives.

And then their weaker defenders were guys like Joseph and Diaw who were still good. One of which defended LeBron well in the 13 finals.

I also want to note how good Ginobili was. People with a sharp eye at the time felt 2012 Harden was already a superstar offensively, and he was. 14 Ginobili was at the same offensive caliber but went balls to the walls on defense like Patrick Beverly or Marcus Smart.

It's entirely different level of depth and and just skill when comparing these teams. San Antonio would have way more ways to beat any team. Which is ultimately why every series they played looked so wildly different. Same results.

[PhiEaglesfan712]

What the Heat did would have been more impressive if Giannis was healthy, but he wasn't. After game 4 the guy had to go on an IV drip, and he was never right. Play that series 100 times and the Bucks win 95 times.

I mean, they beat a similar calibre of opponent in the Celtics short-handed

This 2022-23 Heat team is nearly impossible to evaluate properly. While they beat the Bucks and Celtics, they also lost to the Hawks and struggled against the Bulls in the play-in. Not to mention, they had a negative point differential over the course of an 82-game regular season.

I just hope the Heat doesn't win this title because it will likely result in the playoffs being expanded to 20 teams, further diluting the importance of the regular season.

[No-more-rings]

The Heat have had a good run but they aren’t on the 2014 Spurs level.

[AdagioPace]

So we're just ignoring Spurs 14,53 (!!) playoffs SRS because.....meh ."7 games series with mavs"

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There's a lot of recency bias going on with the 2022-23 Heat. People seem to forget how bad they were in the play-in. They lost to Atlanta and nearly lost to 10-seed Chicago, which would have resulted them in missing the playoffs altogether.

Anyone with no bias knows that the 2013-14 Spurs were better. So what if they had a 7 game series with the Mavs? I think losing a play-in game and nearly losing another to a 10-seed is worse.

Being better era-relative does not necessarily translate to winning a matchup

the key word is "era". the 2014 Spurs are not an ancient team after all. They're basically the first dominant team of the new era (or the last of the old one but already projected in the Warriors era). I don't think their translation in, say 2021, would be arduous. Personnel, coaching, are all suitable given some weeks/months of adaptation. Heck I would give a chance even to the lesser 2016 and 2017 Spurs, that were playing a more traditional setup.

the only disadvantage that teams like 2015/2016 Warriors and 2014 Spurs would face is their weakened surprise factor (which doesn't automatically mean being less effective)