Best ever offensive big men, and how they compare to Jokic?
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Best ever offensive big men, and how they compare to Jokic?
The conversation generally seems centered around guys like:
Kareem
Barkley (if you count him as a big)
Shaq
Dirk
but Jokic really seems to be the new standardbearer. Passing, shooting, ball-handling, screen-setting, offensive rebounding, off-ball movement, gravity, he has it all.
Where does Jokic fit into the pantheon of the GOAT offensive big men, and how does he compare to the other guys above?
Kareem
Barkley (if you count him as a big)
Shaq
Dirk
but Jokic really seems to be the new standardbearer. Passing, shooting, ball-handling, screen-setting, offensive rebounding, off-ball movement, gravity, he has it all.
Where does Jokic fit into the pantheon of the GOAT offensive big men, and how does he compare to the other guys above?
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ceiling raiser wrote:The conversation generally seems centered around guys like:
Kareem
Barkley (if you count him as a big)
Shaq
Dirk
but Jokic really seems to be the new standardbearer. Passing, shooting, ball-handling, screen-setting, offensive rebounding, off-ball movement, gravity, he has it all.
Where does Jokic fit into the pantheon of the GOAT offensive big men, and how does he compare to the other guys above?
I think Jokic is probably the best. I think it's now really becoming mainstream knowledge how sick of a scorer he is and he can score in so many different ways with near equal effectiveness.
His passing is kind of been known since nearly day 1 even by deniers.
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Jokic is in his own class at this point
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Jokic is the greatest offensive player ever, so he's obviously better than any big man.
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He's clearly ahead of my GOAT offensive bigman up to that point (Kareem) and has been since 2021/22 season. It doesn't mean he's better overall, but his peak stacks up well among top 10 centers ever to say the least.
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Chamberlain is still the best. He did what he did with very restricting rules that didn't allow him to bump anyone at all. If he was in any other era, except maybe the current one, he'd have probably averaged more points and had his share of great assists seasons.
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migya wrote:Chamberlain is still the best. He did what he did with very restricting rules that didn't allow him to bump anyone at all. If he was in any other era, except maybe the current one, he'd have probably averaged more points and had his share of great assists seasons.
What advantages do you think Wilt had offensively vs Jokic?
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70sFan wrote:migya wrote:Chamberlain is still the best. He did what he did with very restricting rules that didn't allow him to bump anyone at all. If he was in any other era, except maybe the current one, he'd have probably averaged more points and had his share of great assists seasons.
What advantages do you think Wilt had offensively vs Jokic?
Strength, leaping ability, athleticism, length; the only one who ever compared to Wilt as an athletic outlier was Shaq. Jokic has clearly superior skills and BBIQ.
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He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley
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Laimbeer wrote:He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley
Why are you laughing at Dirk? You do realize this is offense only, right?
I had Jokic firmly in my Top 10-15 offensive players ever before this post-season.
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Laimbeer wrote:He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley
Do you think Dirk and Barkley became all time greats by the virtue of their tremendous defense?
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Colbinii wrote:Laimbeer wrote:He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley
Why are you laughing at Dirk? You do realize this is offense only, right?
I had Jokic firmly in my Top 10-15 offensive players ever before this post-season.
But did one playoff vault him to the top?
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HeartBreakKid wrote:Laimbeer wrote:He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley
Do you think Dirk and Barkley became all time greats by the virtue of their tremendous defense?
They're great, but not on a tier with Wilt or Kareem.
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Laimbeer wrote:He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley
I had Jokic as the best offensive bigman ever before the playoffs.
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Laimbeer wrote:Colbinii wrote:Laimbeer wrote:He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley
Why are you laughing at Dirk? You do realize this is offense only, right?
I had Jokic firmly in my Top 10-15 offensive players ever before this post-season.
But did one playoff vault him to the top?
Did he just not exist is 2021 or 2022?

He was voted best player in the NBA in 2022 by this board by a landslide.
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Laimbeer wrote:He's up there, but this is an overreation thread. Who had Jokic as their all-time best before the playoffs? Wilt and Kareem were arguably more dominant in their prime. lol @ Dirk and Barkley
Probably everyone here lol.
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I think he's the best offensive big of all-time and will be in the mix for best offensive player of all-time.
Forget the numbers and just look at his skill-set. Is there another player in history who is as complete of an offensive player? I can't name one to be honest.
Forget the numbers and just look at his skill-set. Is there another player in history who is as complete of an offensive player? I can't name one to be honest.
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If Chuck is a "big" so is Bird IMO
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Peregrine01 wrote:I think he's the best offensive big of all-time and will be in the mix for best offensive player of all-time.
Forget the numbers and just look at his skill-set. Is there another player in history who is as complete of an offensive player? I can't name one to be honest.
I wouldn't go that far. Oscar, Magic, LeBron all can compete with Jokic in terms of "completeness" on offensive end.
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70sFan wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:I think he's the best offensive big of all-time and will be in the mix for best offensive player of all-time.
Forget the numbers and just look at his skill-set. Is there another player in history who is as complete of an offensive player? I can't name one to be honest.
I wouldn't go that far. Oscar, Magic, LeBron all can compete with Jokic in terms of "completeness" on offensive end.
Those 3 guys all need the ball in their hands to be who they are. Jokic doesn’t. He’s like an amoeba that can shape itself in whatever ways that allows his teammates to be at their most effective. And that’s the biggest difference to me.