Is Joker a top 6 Center of all time?

[mdonnelly1989]

He's not yet a top 5 Center which goes too...

Wilt
Bill
Hakeem
Shaq
Kareem

He's in the next tier below.

David Robinson
Joker
Moses
Ewing

Below that is probably

Dwight
Mikan
Reed
Parish
Gilmore
Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Mourning

[dygaction]

He is comfortably better than DRob, so top 6 to me.

[Cavsfansince84]

I think he's 9th or 10th and that Mikan is in the group above. Jokic/Ewing is a good debate imo. More so because of Ewing's playoff shortcomings and how good Jokic has been when his teams have made it.

[LukaTheGOAT]

I mean his peak is clearly top 6, but I think people might keep him from the #6 spot due to a lack of longevity. That basically is what this convo comes down to.

[Narigo]

Naw. Not there yet

[SNPA]

He's not yet a top 6 Center which goes too...

Wilt
Bill
Hakeem
Shaq
Kareem
Duncan

He's in the next tier below.

David Robinson
Joker
Moses
Ewing

Below that is probably

Dwight
Mikan
Reed
Parish
Gilmore
Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Mourning

Fixed.

[tsherkin]

Yeah, I can easily see him as top 6.

[mdonnelly1989]

He's not yet a top 6 Center which goes too...

Wilt
Bill
Hakeem
Shaq
Kareem
Duncan

He's in the next tier below.

David Robinson
Joker
Moses
Ewing

Below that is probably

Dwight
Mikan
Reed
Parish
Gilmore
Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Mourning

Fixed.

I'm willing to bet the top 20 websites when you go to Google and put it Greatest PF's of all time. 95% of them if not more have Duncan listed as a PF.

A majority of sports analysts think so too. I get it he played more like a Center. But a majority will ultimately have him as a PF.

So you fixed something that wasn't broken.

[GSP]

I mean his peak is clearly top 6, but I think people might keep him from the #6 spot due to a lack of longevity. That basically is what this convo comes down to.

Is it clear top 6 tho?

Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Walton, Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq

I think theres a good case but I dont know if its clear

[GSP]

He's not yet a top 6 Center which goes too...

Wilt
Bill
Hakeem
Shaq
Kareem
Duncan

He's in the next tier below.

David Robinson
Joker
Moses
Ewing

Below that is probably

Dwight
Mikan
Reed
Parish
Gilmore
Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Mourning

Fixed.

I'm willing to bet the top 20 websites when you go to Google and put it Greatest PF's of all time. 95% of them if not more have Duncan listed as a PF.

A majority of sports analysts think so too. I get it he played more like a Center. But a majority will ultimately have him as a PF.

So you fixed something that wasn't broken.

Timmy started playing center alot more in mid 00s in like 06 or 07

Timmys time exclusively as a center was 09-16. He split w/ Pf and started and played 65/35 Pf/C from 99-06

So if were just ranking Timmy as a center its mainly just his 09-16 run as a pure center and that run wouldnt crack top 10 centers since he was past prime altho still good. Classing Timmy and ranking as a center means you lose his peak years where he was undebatably a power forward

[SNPA]

Fixed.

I'm willing to bet the top 20 websites when you go to Google and put it Greatest PF's of all time. 95% of them if not more have Duncan listed as a PF.

A majority of sports analysts think so too. I get it he played more like a Center. But a majority will ultimately have him as a PF.

So you fixed something that wasn't broken.

Timmy started playing center alot more in mid 00s in like 06 or 07

Timmys time exclusively as a center was 09-16. He split w/ Pf and started and played 65/35 Pf/C from 99-06

So if were just ranking Timmy as a center its mainly just his 09-16 run as a pure center and that run wouldnt crack top 10 centers since he was past prime altho still good. Classing Timmy and ranking as a center means you lose his peak years where he was undebatably a power forward

Duncan has three phases:

1) he is the youngster and has to play PF to accommodate Robinson.

2) he starts games at PF to avoid foul trouble and so he isn’t classified with Shaq for Western Conference honors.

3) the league starts to change and he is to old to pretend anymore and plays the 5.

If there was a 4.5 slot Duncan would be GOAT. But if you go classic 1-5 he is a 5.

[dygaction]

He's not yet a top 6 Center which goes too...

Wilt
Bill
Hakeem
Shaq
Kareem
Duncan

He's in the next tier below.

David Robinson
Joker
Moses
Ewing

Below that is probably

Dwight
Mikan
Reed
Parish
Gilmore
Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Mourning

Fixed.

I'm willing to bet the top 20 websites when you go to Google and put it Greatest PF's of all time. 95% of them if not more have Duncan listed as a PF.

A majority of sports analysts think so too. I get it he played more like a Center. But a majority will ultimately have him as a PF.

So you fixed something that wasn't broken.

Never understood the push for Duncan as a C. He was listed and voted all-nba as an F year after year for over a decade...

[flaco]

He's not yet a top 5 Center which goes too...

Wilt
Bill
Hakeem
Shaq
Kareem

He's in the next tier below.

David Robinson
Joker
Moses
Ewing

Below that is probably

Dwight
Mikan
Reed
Parish
Gilmore
Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Mourning

Career-wise, I think he's arleady in the top 7. That said, I have a defferent top 7 than you which also includes Duncan. Only reason he was playing at PF is he had to share the court with Robinson. I fully believe he would have been considered strictly a Center in the modern game.

Top 7 in random order
Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Duncan, Jokic, Hakeem

Peak-wise (irrespective of longevity and accolades), I think he's in the conversation for #1. At the very least, he's clearly the best offensive Center in my book.

[70sFan]

Peak wise, he's top 6 for me at this point.

Career wise, I'm not sure if I have him in top 10. The clear top 8 (Russell/Wilt/Kareem/Moses/Hakeem/Robinson/Shaq/Duncan) are not within his range now, then you have another very solid tier with Mikan/Gilmore/Ewing.

I expect him to be ranked higher with more years on his belt.

[LukaTheGOAT]

I mean his peak is clearly top 6, but I think people might keep him from the #6 spot due to a lack of longevity. That basically is what this convo comes down to.

Is it clear top 6 tho?

Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Walton, Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq

I think theres a good case but I dont know if its clear

Oh my bad, I forgot about Walton.

[iggymcfrack]

I think Jokic has legit GOAT potential and I wouldn't even have him top 6 for career yet. Duncan, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, D-Rob, Russell, and Wilt would all be ahead of him. For peak, I think he's #1, but Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, and Kareem would all be close enough that I couldn't really argue against them too vehemently. Can't possibly see him out of the top 5 for peak though.

[DQuinn1575]

Moses thru 83 and Jokic right now are multiple mvps, best player on a champ team, and considered best player on planet.
So that is pretty even. To me he is behind whatever Moses did 84 on,
He should surpass that, and when that occurs he would go to 6th for me.

[ronnymac2]

All-time? Certainly not. He's only eight seasons in. Those top all-time bigs have major longevity that he'll need to match.

Nikola definitely has had the first eight seasons of a guy who could reach that level though. He is doing impressive things. Durable. Age 27. Reliable track record in the playoffs. Still making little improvements. He is on the path.

[One_and_Done]

It's going to be so weird watching everyone having to walk this stuff back a year from now when the Nuggets lose in the 2nd round.

[HeartBreakKid]

It's going to be so weird watching everyone having to walk this stuff back a year from now when the Nuggets lose in the 2nd round.

True, none of the top 6 centers ever got eliminated that early before while in their primes.