D.Rob vs Kobe

[One_and_Done]

Who you got?

[SHAQ32]

Can you be more specific?

[ceoofkobefans]

All time between the two is a no contest. Peak is still Kobe but I guess it’s relatively close between the two (strong all time vs fringe all time).

[1993Playoffs]

Extremely close. D-Rob most likely has the better peak. A much better defender. Still Kobe us a much better scorer with good longevity.

Really tough

[One_and_Done]

Peak is D.Rob for sure.

[eminence]

Career I've got Kobe relatively cleanly, peak I think you can go either way, I think I might prefer Kobe, but it's close.

[70sFan]

I probably prefer Robinson's best 5 years stretch, rather clearly in fact, but Kobe has much longer and better career overall.

[tsherkin]

I probably prefer Robinson's best 5 years stretch, rather clearly in fact, but Kobe has much longer and better career overall.

This is roughly where I am as well.

[xinxin]

In D Rob’s 2 rings, he wasn’t the best player on the team.

It’s arguable at least in Kobe’s case that he was definitely the best player on the team for his last 2 rings.

Kobe for me.


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[migya]

Peak is without doubt Robinson, career is Kobe likely but by small margin.


The BR numbers:

David Robinson- 1989-90 - 2002-03
RS - 987gms, 34.7mins, 21.1pts, 51.8fg%, 6.1ftm, 8.3fta, 73.6ft%, 10.6reb, 2.5ast, 1.4stl, 3blk, 2.4tos, 116OR, 96DR, 26.2PER, 58.3ts%, 98.5ows, 80.1dws, 178.7ws, .250ws/48, 7.5bpm, 81.9vorp, Play by play (1997-2003) 430 games, 13065 minutes, +9.9 on court, +6.1 on/off

Playoffs - 123gms, 34.3mins, 18.1pts, 47.9fg%, 5.6ftm, 7.9fta, 70.8ft%, 10.6reb, 2.3ast, 1.2stl, 2.5blk, 2.3tos, 110OR, 96DR, 23PER, 54.7ts%, 7.8ows, 9.7dws, 17.5ws, .199ws/48, 6.2bpm, 8.7vorp, Play by play (1997-2003) 70 games, 2137 minutes, +10.3 on court, +18.9 on/off

Kobe Bryant- 1996-97 - 2015-16
RS - 1346gms, 36.1mins, 25pts, 44.7fg%, 1.4 3P, 32.9% 3P, 6.2ftm, 83.7ft%, 5.2reb, 4.7ast, 1.4stl, 0.5blk, 3tos, 110OR, 105DR, 22.9PER, 55ts%, 122.1ows, 50.7dws, 172.7ws, .170ws/48, 4.6bpm, 80.1vorp, Play by play +4.2 on court, +4.6 on/off

Playoffs - 220gms, 39.3mins, 25.6pts, 44.8fg%, 1.3 3P, 33.1% 3P, 6ftm, 81.6ft%, 5.1reb, 4.7ast, 1.4stl, 0.7blk, 2.9tos, 110OR, 96DR, 22.4PER, 54.1ts%, 21ows, 7.3dws, 28.3ws, .157ws/48, 5.4bpm, 16.2vorp, Play by play +3.3 on court, +7.6 on/off


Looking at these numbers for both players, Robinson looks better by large margin for peak and also for career, though Kobe playing almost 400 more games may be give it to him. The play by play impact numbers, even though it's after the arrival of Duncan for Robinson, is much greater compared to Kobe. For the positive view of Kobe's scoring, and negative view of Robinson's, for peak (Robinson 90-98, Kobe 01-13) per 100 possessions, Kobe is marginally higher but less efficiency and offensive rating is significantly higher for Robinson.

Robinson is obviously a much better defender but most significantly is that Robinson's teams pre Duncan won much more than Kobe's post Shaq pre Gasol and as much, perhaps slightly more than Kobe's with Gasol. Robinson's impact shows to be much more.

[Stan]

Robinson is more talented, but Kobe is more reliable in the playoffs and he had like twice the amount of prime seasons. It's honestly a no brainer decision if we're talking who we'd rather build around.

[iggymcfrack]

Easily D-Rob. He’s probably a top 3 defensive player of all-time and he’s a more efficient scorer than Kobe. I think it’s fair to say that D-Rob’s defense is equivalent to Kobe’s offense and D-Rob’s offense is much more valuable than Kobe’s defense.

[iggymcfrack]

Robinson is more talented, but Kobe is more reliable in the playoffs and he had like twice the amount of prime seasons. It's honestly a no brainer decision if we're talking who we'd rather build around.

Twice the number of prime seasons? What are you even talking about? David Robinson had 11 seasons with a BPM of 5 or higher. Kobe had 9. If you expand it to season with a BPM of 4 or higher, D-Rob still has 11 and Kobe has 13. Make the qualification a BPM of 3 and it’s 12 for D-Rob and 14 for Kobe. No matter how you slice it they have a very similar number of prime seasons.

[tsherkin]

Robinson is more talented, but Kobe is more reliable in the playoffs and he had like twice the amount of prime seasons. It's honestly a no brainer decision if we're talking who we'd rather build around.

Twice the number of prime seasons? What are you even talking about? David Robinson had 11 seasons with a BPM of 5 or higher. Kobe had 9. If you expand it to season with a BPM of 4 or higher, D-Rob still has 11 and Kobe has 13. Make the qualification a BPM of 3 and it’s 12 for D-Rob and 14 for Kobe. No matter how you slice it they have a very similar number of prime seasons.

He had 7 seasons as a focal star where he was really rolling it out. Seasons with Duncan help show that he adapted to a second-star/roleplayer type of scenario, but I don't know if that makes those better prime seasons given the luxury he enjoyed. It leaves open the question of whether or not he could have maintained that level of production without TD at that time. Here, we're likely having this conversation due to the injury and the generally weak quality of his teams pre-Duncan, to be fair, so there is that angle to examine with Robinson as well.

[HeartBreakKid]

In D Rob’s 2 rings, he wasn’t the best player on the team.

It’s arguable at least in Kobe’s case that he was definitely the best player on the team for his last 2 rings.

Kobe for me.


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"wasnt even" as in he played with Tim Duncan at the end of his career?

And in 1999 him and Duncan were very close, hence why they were the Twin Towers. Just because Robinson scored less doesn't mean he was his Scottie Pippen.

[iggymcfrack]

Robinson is more talented, but Kobe is more reliable in the playoffs and he had like twice the amount of prime seasons. It's honestly a no brainer decision if we're talking who we'd rather build around.

Twice the number of prime seasons? What are you even talking about? David Robinson had 11 seasons with a BPM of 5 or higher. Kobe had 9. If you expand it to season with a BPM of 4 or higher, D-Rob still has 11 and Kobe has 13. Make the qualification a BPM of 3 and it’s 12 for D-Rob and 14 for Kobe. No matter how you slice it they have a very similar number of prime seasons.

He had 7 seasons as a focal star where he was really rolling it out. Seasons with Duncan help show that he adapted to a second-star/roleplayer type of scenario, but I don't know if that makes those better prime seasons given the luxury he enjoyed. It leaves open the question of whether or not he could have maintained that level of production without TD at that time. Here, we're likely having this conversation due to the injury and the generally weak quality of his teams pre-Duncan, to be fair, so there is that angle to examine with Robinson as well.

David Robinson still led the Spurs in PPG, PER (RS and PS), WS (RS and PS), and BPM (RS and PS) in 1998. So basically, Robinson had 8 full seasons as the focal star compared to 9 for Kobe unless you're going to count his tank commander years which would be a little silly.

[70sFan]

Twice the number of prime seasons? What are you even talking about? David Robinson had 11 seasons with a BPM of 5 or higher. Kobe had 9.

Yeah, I think we all agree who was better in 2001 season and it's not a player with BPM of 5 or higher...

[Matt15]

D-Rob was a better floor raiser/regular season performer and Kobe was more reliable in the playoffs. Peak wise they are very close, I have Kobe higher by maybe one or two spots. Career accomplishments and longevity go to Kobe. Overall if I’m starting a team I choose Kobe.

[1993Playoffs]

2001 D-Rob wasn’t better than Kobe but he was underrated that year

[One_and_Done]

I can see the D.Rob argument if you really favour peak play. Got to say that I don't think D.Rob was particularly close to Duncan in 99, and was clearly not nearly as good as Kobe in 01, and any stat that says otherwise needs considerable scrutiny.