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2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:10 pm
by Matt15
How would you rank them from 1-3 for this 3 year stretch?

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:17 pm
by Colbinii
In terms of how good they were as players I would put KG > Nash > Dirk. Dirk really made big strides following 2006 and 2007 off-season to become the player he eventually peaked at from 2008-2011. KG and Nash were already in their final forms by 2005-2007.

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:12 am
by Narigo
Dirk
KG
Nash

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:56 am
by Doctor MJ
Matt15 wrote:How would you rank them from 1-3 for this 3 year stretch?


So I'd point to two different evaluations:

Best at basketball:

1. KG
2. Nash
3. Dirk

Most accomplished within this duration:

1. Nash
2. Dirk
3. KG

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:23 am
by canada_dry
Nash.
Dirk
Kg.



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Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:10 am
by Ryoga Hibiki
Dirk
Nash

KG

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:05 am
by AdagioPace
KG is hard to evaluate. Both team results and impact signals seem inconsistent/volatile and decoupled.
He's still the best player in '05, while Nash and Dirk overtake him in 06 and 07 imo.
I'm also giving a look to the Retro POY project by the way.

all three inferior to TD in this 3 year interval though while Lebron is emerging strongly but still not refined enough.

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:14 pm
by ShaqAttac
AdagioPace wrote:KG is hard to evaluate. Both team results and impact signals seem inconsistent/volatile and decoupled.
He's still the best player in '05, while Nash and Dirk overtake him in 06 and 07 imo.
I'm also giving a look to the Retro POY project by the way.

all three inferior to TD in this 3 year interval though while Lebron is emerging strongly but still not refined enough.

i mean nash saw a 20 win team win 60. idk how u can pick kg when he missed the pos.

also what about duncan

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:29 pm
by rk2023
ShaqAttac wrote:
AdagioPace wrote:KG is hard to evaluate. Both team results and impact signals seem inconsistent/volatile and decoupled.
He's still the best player in '05, while Nash and Dirk overtake him in 06 and 07 imo.
I'm also giving a look to the Retro POY project by the way.

all three inferior to TD in this 3 year interval though while Lebron is emerging strongly but still not refined enough.

i mean nash saw a 20 win team win 60. idk how u can pick kg when he missed the pos.

also what about duncan


He had a down year in 2006 sort of recovering and all that. His 2007 and 2005 (when healthy) are underrated years, where I’d regard him as best in the world both cases. Ik you’re big into “impaact” - where he looks good there. 05 Spurs win pace with Timmy was obscene iirc

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:15 pm
by ShaqAttac
rk2023 wrote:
ShaqAttac wrote:
AdagioPace wrote:KG is hard to evaluate. Both team results and impact signals seem inconsistent/volatile and decoupled.
He's still the best player in '05, while Nash and Dirk overtake him in 06 and 07 imo.
I'm also giving a look to the Retro POY project by the way.

all three inferior to TD in this 3 year interval though while Lebron is emerging strongly but still not refined enough.

i mean nash saw a 20 win team win 60. idk how u can pick kg when he missed the pos.

also what about duncan


He had a down year in 2006 sort of recovering and all that. His 2007 and 2005 (when healthy) are underrated years, where I’d regard him as best in the world both cases. Ik you’re big into “impaact” - where he looks good there. 05 Spurs win pace with Timmy was obscene iirc

what was it

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:29 pm
by rk2023
ShaqAttac wrote:
rk2023 wrote:
ShaqAttac wrote:i mean nash saw a 20 win team win 60. idk how u can pick kg when he missed the pos.

also what about duncan


He had a down year in 2006 sort of recovering and all that. His 2007 and 2005 (when healthy) are underrated years, where I’d regard him as best in the world both cases. Ik you’re big into “impaact” - where he looks good there. 05 Spurs win pace with Timmy was obscene iirc

what was it


No clue about SOS adjustments, but 50-16 with a +10.9 Net-rating in games Big Fundamental suited up. 16.73/100 with Duncan on-court :o

Only 9-7 (-.82/100 in these games) when Duncan did not play.

Just checked PBPStats, which is where I’m getting this from.

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:37 pm
by ShaqAttac
rk2023 wrote:
ShaqAttac wrote:
rk2023 wrote:
He had a down year in 2006 sort of recovering and all that. His 2007 and 2005 (when healthy) are underrated years, where I’d regard him as best in the world both cases. Ik you’re big into “impaact” - where he looks good there. 05 Spurs win pace with Timmy was obscene iirc

what was it


No clue about SOS adjustments, but 50-16 with a +10.9 Net-rating in games Big Fundamental suited up. 16.73/100 with Duncan on-court :o

Only 9-7 (-.82/100 in these games) when Duncan did not play.

Just checked PBPStats, which is where I’m getting this from.

woah. wasnt he past his peak?

duncan might be goated tbh

Re: 2005-’07: Dirk vs KG vs Nash

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:49 pm
by wafflzgod
I would go Nash > KG > Dirk