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penbeast0 wrote:Starks had better playmaking and handles than Thompson has shown; Thompson has considerably better size and shooting than Starks ever demonstrated. I don't think it's all that close since you don't play Klay for his playmaking.

penbeast0 wrote:For his size, yes, Klay's size gives him an advantage v. taller players and on switches that tends to cut into that defensive difference.

SHAQ32 wrote:

penbeast0 wrote:For his size, yes, Klay's size gives him an advantage v. taller players and on switches that tends to cut into that defensive difference.

Not really. Klay lacks the lateral quickness to be effective. Especially since coming back from the injuries.

The Warriors as a team haven't been good defensively with Klay since 2017.

1993Playoffs wrote:Klay and it’s not close

MiamiBulls wrote:Starks Career TS+ is 97. He has a scoring Efficiency that was BELOW League Average 11 out of 14 Seasons of Starks' Career.
'93 Knicks: 6th Worst Offense in the NBA
'94 Knicks: 11th Worst Offense in the NBA
'95 Knicks: 11th Worst Offense in the NBA
'96 Knicks: 9th Worst Offense in the NBA
'97 Knicks: 5th Worst Offense in the NBA
'98 Knicks: 10th Worst Offense in the NBA

Klay Thompson '16 GSW: 24ppg per 75 on +5.6% rTS on the no.1 ranked Offense in the NBA.

homecourtloss wrote:The fact that people even bring up John Starks in discussions such as these speaks of the overall dearth in guard and wing talent in the NBA during the ‘90s.

SHAQ32 wrote:

homecourtloss wrote:The fact that people even bring up John Starks in discussions such as these speaks of the overall dearth in guard and wing talent in the NBA during the ‘90s.

I think it speaks to the opposite, actually. That Starks edges Klay out in VORP, BPM, WS, and WS/48, yet doesn't have nearly the accolades. It's kind of like the Reggie Miller situation. The impact far outweighs the acknowledgment.

Djoker wrote:

SHAQ32 wrote:

homecourtloss wrote:The fact that people even bring up John Starks in discussions such as these speaks of the overall dearth in guard and wing talent in the NBA during the ‘90s.

I think it speaks to the opposite, actually. That Starks edges Klay out in VORP, BPM, WS, and WS/48, yet doesn't have nearly the accolades. It's kind of like the Reggie Miller situation. The impact far outweighs the acknowledgment.

Miller is a different story entirely. I agree that Reggie is quite comfortably better than Klay.

Not Starks though. Klay > Starks as others have said.

SHAQ32 wrote:

homecourtloss wrote:The fact that people even bring up John Starks in discussions such as these speaks of the overall dearth in guard and wing talent in the NBA during the ‘90s.

I think it speaks to the opposite, actually. That Starks edges Klay out in VORP, BPM, WS, and WS/48, yet doesn't have nearly the accolades. It's kind of like the Reggie Miller situation. The impact far outweighs the acknowledgment.

SHAQ32 wrote:

Djoker wrote:

SHAQ32 wrote:I think it speaks to the opposite, actually. That Starks edges Klay out in VORP, BPM, WS, and WS/48, yet doesn't have nearly the accolades. It's kind of like the Reggie Miller situation. The impact far outweighs the acknowledgment.

Miller is a different story entirely. I agree that Reggie is quite comfortably better than Klay.

Not Starks though. Klay > Starks as others have said.

Cool. That's not what the stats say tho.

SportsGuru08 wrote:

SHAQ32 wrote:

homecourtloss wrote:The fact that people even bring up John Starks in discussions such as these speaks of the overall dearth in guard and wing talent in the NBA during the ‘90s.

I think it speaks to the opposite, actually. That Starks edges Klay out in VORP, BPM, WS, and WS/48, yet doesn't have nearly the accolades. It's kind of like the Reggie Miller situation. The impact far outweighs the acknowledgment.

It's also worth noting that Jeff Hornacek and Hersey Hawkins are ahead of Klay in all the major advanced metrics and Dan Majerle is ahead of Klay in everything except PER

But all those guys (and Hornacek in particular) are regarded as "bums", "milkmen" and "plumbers". Meanwhile, Klay is classified as a superstar.

SportsGuru08 wrote:

SHAQ32 wrote:

homecourtloss wrote:The fact that people even bring up John Starks in discussions such as these speaks of the overall dearth in guard and wing talent in the NBA during the ‘90s.

I think it speaks to the opposite, actually. That Starks edges Klay out in VORP, BPM, WS, and WS/48, yet doesn't have nearly the accolades. It's kind of like the Reggie Miller situation. The impact far outweighs the acknowledgment.

It's also worth noting that Jeff Hornacek and Hersey Hawkins are ahead of Klay in all the major advanced metrics and Dan Majerle is ahead of Klay in everything except PER

But all those guys (and Hornacek in particular) are regarded as "bums", "milkmen" and "plumbers". Meanwhile, Klay is classified as a superstar.

penbeast0 wrote:

SportsGuru08 wrote:

SHAQ32 wrote:I think it speaks to the opposite, actually. That Starks edges Klay out in VORP, BPM, WS, and WS/48, yet doesn't have nearly the accolades. It's kind of like the Reggie Miller situation. The impact far outweighs the acknowledgment.

It's also worth noting that Jeff Hornacek and Hersey Hawkins are ahead of Klay in all the major advanced metrics and Dan Majerle is ahead of Klay in everything except PER

But all those guys (and Hornacek in particular) are regarded as "bums", "milkmen" and "plumbers". Meanwhile, Klay is classified as a superstar.

I think you have the milkmen and plumbers line wrong. Hornacek, Hawkins, and Majerle played contemporaneously with MJ or Kobe so they must be real NBA players. It's everyone before Bird and Magic entered the league that's classified as incapable of playing in the modern NBA.