RS Only: David Robinson vs Nikola Jokic
Posted: Sat Apr 6, 2024 7:58 am
Regular season only, who is the better player?
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D-Rob wasn't creating a ton for others, didn't have amazing range and didn't fare well against comparable size or physical defense. You could game for him a lot more than you can for Jokic
kcktiny wrote:D-Rob wasn't creating a ton for others, didn't have amazing range and didn't fare well against comparable size or physical defense. You could game for him a lot more than you can for Jokic
Wow, what an astute assessment for David Robinson.
Just out of curiosity, how did he happen to manage to be named all-NBA each of his first 7 seasons in the league, 4 times all-NBA 1st team, play on a team that averaged 55 wins a season (5 seasons with 55+ wins), have the 2nd best W-L record in the league all that time, and be the leader on a team that was 3rd best defensively over that time?
Unreal.
If you want to compare the two read the "Where would peak DRob rank today?" thread, especially for those who think Jokic was better on offense.
You didn’t disprove or debunk a single thing Tsherkin said
D-Rob... didn't fare well against comparable size or physical defense.
D-Rob wasn't creating a ton for others
Jokic is a lot better than Robinson on offense.
kcktiny wrote:Like this is some sort of factual assessment of a player that was likely the best C in the league over a 7 year period (1989-90 to 1995-96)?
Is Hakeem being classified as a PF now or did I miss something.
rk2023 wrote:You didn’t disprove or debunk a single thing Tsherkin said
kcktiny wrote:Just out of curiosity, how did he happen to manage to be named all-NBA each of his first 7 seasons in the league, 4 times all-NBA 1st team, play on a team that averaged 55 wins a season (5 seasons with 55+ wins), have the 2nd best W-L record in the league all that time, and be the leader on a team that was 3rd best defensively over that time?
Because he was really good. What kind of question was that?
D-Rob wasn't creating a ton for others
and didn't fare well against comparable size or physical defense.
You could game for him a lot more than you can for Jokic
That doesn't mean he didn't have any weaknesses
and those weaknesses were more visible in the playoffs
But to ignore what his actual weaknesses
Those are just realities of Robinson's game.
And your pointless vitriol aside
only making a fuss over something I wrote
kcktiny wrote:D-Rob wasn't creating a ton for others, didn't have amazing range and didn't fare well against comparable size or physical defense. You could game for him a lot more than you can for Jokic
Wow, what an astute assessment for David Robinson.
Just out of curiosity, how did he happen to manage to be named all-NBA each of his first 7 seasons in the league, 4 times all-NBA 1st team, play on a team that averaged 55 wins a season (5 seasons with 55+ wins), have the 2nd best W-L record in the league all that time, and be the leader on a team that was 3rd best defensively over that time?
Unreal.
If you want to compare the two read the "Where would peak DRob rank today?" thread, especially for those who think Jokic was better on offense.
capfan33 wrote:kcktiny wrote:Like this is some sort of factual assessment of a player that was likely the best C in the league over a 7 year period (1989-90 to 1995-96)?
Is Hakeem being classified as a PF now or did I miss something.
kcktiny wrote:In those first 7 seasons of his career he was all-NBA every season and all-NBA 1st team 4/7 times. In the eyes of the voters that makes him the best or one of the very best Cs in the league during that time.
And he got those awards going up against the likes Olajuwon, Ewing, Mutombo, Shaq, Seikaly, Parish, Kemp, Daugherty, Divac, Smits, Polynice, Benjamin, Lang, Duckworth, Mourning, you name it. All 7 footers or close and the big names as physical as a C was at that time.
Is that a fact. Care to explain how? Robinson those 7 seasons rarely missed a game (maybe 2 a season on average), played 38 min/g, and had stats that were outstanding (only Olajuwon was similar). He played more minutes than all but one player, and scored more points than all but one player (K.Malone both instances).
Tell you what. Why don't you list his weaknesses, and then list the weaknesses of Jokic so we can compare the two. But you won't because Jokic has far more weaknesses.
Is or is not the title of this thread "RS Only: David Robinson vs Nikola Jokic"?
That word astute really got you, huh?
And? You think he was going head to head with all those guys on a nightly basis?
Shaq wasn't in the same conference as him until after his prime. Neither were kemp, Polynice, Duckworth... even Mutombo for a chunk of it.
Divac is a meaningless inclusion.
And again, watching Robinson, did you not see HOW he set up his game?
Another non-sequitur. Yawn.
He really doesn't, though, that's the problem. He isn't elite in several areas, including defense which happens to be a strength of Robinson's, but that isn't actually a weakness.
Mentioning the PS was more about identifying Robinson's weaknesses and how he could be attacked defensively, which would be more common in today's league.
Your general tone is obvious, now as it always is when you respond to me.
I'm done wasting my time in this thread.
penbeast0 wrote:capfan33 wrote:kcktiny wrote:Like this is some sort of factual assessment of a player that was likely the best C in the league over a 7 year period (1989-90 to 1995-96)?
Is Hakeem being classified as a PF now or did I miss something.
In terms of RS which is what the OP is asking about, Robinson was probably better than Hakeem during this period. PS is a different story of course as Hakeem's case for top 10 all time is strongly based on his ability to rise in the playoffs.