Rank as defenders right now: Davis, Gobert, Wembanyama, Draymond
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:06 am
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SpreeS wrote:Jokic with 40pts against Gobert in the most important RS game…
He can’t defend perimeter in PO
and he can’t defend the best bigs.
Overall his defence is elite in RS, but in PO he is torched by every elite player.
I don’t know what is Green doing on this list. He is old and past his prime and nowhere close to the best defensive bigs.
SpreeS wrote:I don’t know what is Green doing on this list. He is old and past his prime and nowhere close to the best defensive bigs.
parsnips33 wrote:Not the stats getting in the way of good old fashioned Draymond hate again
Agree with Colb that Bam should definitely be in this conversation
Colbinii wrote:For this season: Gobert > Davis > Bam > Wemby > Draymond
homecourtloss wrote:Estimated Defensive Plus-Minus (combo of box, lineup, and tracking data
AD, +1.9, 93rd percentile
Defensive ON-OFF
AD, +.5 (for the majority of the season, the Lakers actually had a lower DRtg with AD off court. This is surprising since the Lakers have very few plus defenders)
DFG% allowed at the rim
AD, 54.1% on 7.3 FGA defended per game
Defending shots overall—FG% allowed, difference compared to how oppoents shoot vs. everyone else
AD, 47.4%, -2.4%, 18.9 FGA defended per game
Defending on three pointers—FG% allowed, difference compared to how oppoents shoot vs. everyone else
AD, 41.4%, +5.0, 5.3 three pointers defended per game
Post defense—Points per possession (PPP) allowed; so few possessions though there are other possessions in which the player actually defends in the post for which we don’t have data since they didn’t make a possession ending play
AD, .61 on .8 possessions
I don’t know what is Green doing on this list. He is old and past his prime and nowhere close to the best defensive bigs.
homecourtloss wrote:Good question. Playoffs are a different animal, and I put more weight in them, which elevates someone like AD who is good in the RS but elevates himself in the post season.
Estimated Defensive Plus-Minus (combo of box, lineup, and tracking data
Wemby, +3.3, 99th percentile
Draymond, +2.8, 98th percentile
Gobert, +2.2, 94th percentile
AD, +1.9, 93rd percentile
Defensive ON-OFF
Wemby, +7.1 (has some tank-worthy defensive teammates, but the defensive impact is happening)
Draymond, +5.3 (Draymond things)
AD, +.5 (for the majority of the season, the Lakers actually had a lower DRtg with AD off court. This is surprising since the Lakers have very few plus defenders)
Gobert, +.3 (not too surprising since there are some good defenders on Minnesota)
DFG% allowed at the rim
Gobert, 51.8% on 7.4 FGA defended per game
Wemby, 52.5% on 7.9 FGA defended per game
AD, 54.1% on 7.3 FGA defended per game
Draymond, 60.6% on 3.7 FGA defended per game (his worst rim protecting season)
Defending shots overall—FG% allowed, difference compared to how oppoents shoot vs. everyone else
Draymond, 42.8%, -6.7%, 14.2 FGA defended per game
Gobert, 43.4%, -6.2%, 18.9 FGA defended per game
Wemby, 45.6%, -4.9%, 16.7 FGA defended per game
AD, 47.4%, -2.4%, 18.9 FGA defended per game
Defending on three pointers—FG% allowed, difference compared to how oppoents shoot vs. everyone else
Draymond, 31.4% (5th best in the NBA), -4.5%, 5.1 three pointers defended per game
Gobert, 33.8%, -2.2%, 3.8 three pointers defended per game
Wemby, 35.1%, -1.7%, 4.1 three pointers per game
AD, 41.4%, +5.0, 5.3 three pointers defended per game
Post defense—Points per possession (PPP) allowed; so few possessions though there are other possessions in which the player actually defends in the post for which we don’t have data since they didn’t make a possession ending play
AD, .61 on .8 possessions
Gobert, .75 on .5 possessions
Draymond, .84 on 1.0 possessions
Wemby, 1.0 on .8 possessionsSpreeS wrote:I don’t know what is Green doing on this list. He is old and past his prime and nowhere close to the best defensive bigs.
He is old and past his prime, but there he is again among the very best defenders. He simply has one of the highest BBall IQs ever and quarterbacks the defense.
kcktiny wrote:I don’t know what is Green doing on this list. He is old and past his prime and nowhere close to the best defensive bigs.
Oh, I don't know, maybe because the individual shot defense data at stats.nba.com shows that of the 142 players in the league that have faced 700+ FGAs on defense this season, Draymond Green has the best/lowest FG% differential allowed at -6.7%, and the 2nd lowest FG% allowed at just 42.8%.
parsnips33 wrote:Not the stats getting in the way of good old fashioned Draymond hate again
Agree with Colb that Bam should definitely be in this conversation
homecourtloss wrote:parsnips33 wrote:Not the stats getting in the way of good old fashioned Draymond hate again
Agree with Colb that Bam should definitely be in this conversation
It’s weird to see so many Golden State Warriors fans do this, but then again, they might just be Steph Curry fans and are trying to prop himupup by bringing down Draymond.
In any case, Bam Adebayo is a good one. Another one is Isaiah Hartenstein who has had an amazing defense season. Finally, it’s an absolute shame about the injuries that Jonathan Isaac has had because when he is on court, he is just an amazing defender and incredible impact player.
homecourtloss wrote:parsnips33 wrote:Not the stats getting in the way of good old fashioned Draymond hate again
Agree with Colb that Bam should definitely be in this conversation
It’s weird to see so many Golden State Warriors fans do this, but then again, they might just be Steph Curry fans and are trying to prop himupup by bringing down Draymond.
In any case, Bam Adebayo is a good one. Another one is Isaiah Hartenstein who has had an amazing defense season. Finally, it’s an absolute shame about the injuries that Jonathan Isaac has had because when he is on court, he is just an amazing defender and incredible impact player.
rk2023 wrote:AD defensive data likely is / has been being punted by turnstiles like Prince & AR - with the puppet master himself (HAMself) being the ones to stagger the Lakers’ defensive impact. I think LeBron has been better than Davis this year, but Davis more indispensable out of design - the design being how **** awful LA’s team defense is without AD. This explains the WOWY : DRTG in games Davis has sat rather well imo.