Jayson Taytum vs Peak Draymond

[Matt15]

Current Tatum or Peak Draymond, who is the better player?

[Throwawaytheone]

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[MiamiBulls]

Peak Draymond.

Draymond at his multi-year Peak was more or less as good as Charles Barkley.

[Ol Roy]

Peak Draymond.

Draymond at his multi-year Peak was more or less as good as Charles Barkley.

I don't see the similarities besides their size.

[homecourtloss]

I like Tatum but multi-year peak Draymond is oo good to pass up.

[Colbinii]

Peak Draymond.

Draymond at his multi-year Peak was more or less as good as Charles Barkley.

I don't see the similarities besides their size.

He said impact wise, not style wise.

[therealbig3]

Peak Draymond was a beast. One of the greatest defensive players of all time and a solid offensive player that was the ultimate glue guy for the Warriors offense. I think there's a clear gap between him and Tatum, in Green's favor.

I'd go as far as saying that peak Draymond is closer to peak Curry than Tatum is to peak Draymond.

[Ol Roy]

Peak Draymond.

Draymond at his multi-year Peak was more or less as good as Charles Barkley.

I don't see the similarities besides their size.

He said impact wise, not style wise.

Right. But it seems like an impact comparison ought to take place in the context of at least a few similarities. Unless we are just going off of plus/minus data that I haven't bothered to look up.

[Colbinii]

I don't see the similarities besides their size.

He said impact wise, not style wise.

Right. But it seems like an impact comparison ought to take place in the context of at least a few similarities. Unless we are just going off of plus/minus data that I haven't bothered to look up.

Why would you assume +/- data? We have other impact metrics.

[ardee]

Yeah I am taking peak Draymond. In 2016 and 2017 he was pretty close to the top 5 in a league where top end talent was significantly stronger than it is now.

Tatum does one thing better, and that's scoring, but he's not even that good at it in the Playoffs. Draymond was a better playmaker, defender, rebounder and actually has shown himself to be capable of bringing his scoring up in important games when needed.

In the 8 games Steph was injured in the 2016 Playoffs, Draymond averaged 17.9/10.5/7.4 with 3.2 combined steals/blocks, while shooting 42.5% from 3. Also anchored the defense.

I consider 2016 Draymond to be a LeBron who outsourced his scoring. That is just an insanely valuable player.

[ardee]

Peak Draymond was a beast. One of the greatest defensive players of all time and a solid offensive player that was the ultimate glue guy for the Warriors offense. I think there's a clear gap between him and Tatum, in Green's favor.

I'd go as far as saying that peak Draymond is closer to peak Curry than Tatum is to peak Draymond.

I remember very clearly in 2016 that in the POY threads Draymond was getting top 2 buzz until the Finals, especially after him and Klay carried the Warriors while Steph was out.

Given his all-around contribution in every area of the game, I think it's fair to say he was top 5 caliber that year and the following one.

[homecourtloss]

The floor-raising is obviously not a contest, but Draymond could never ceiling raise a roster as the clear best player to the level of this recent Celtics team in the RS and PS, and he could never lead a team to multiple finals appearances, deep playoff runs across the past 7 years like Tatum has. They're different tiers as players.

Multi-year peak Draymond is a tier above where Tatum is.

[Throwawaytheone]

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[Dr Positivity]

I think it's going too far to act like a player who's been around 4th/5th best player in the league in Tatum and best player on a dominant champion isn't in the convo with Draymond. Tatum is easily better on offense than Draymond and while not DPOY, is pretty solid himself. You could convince me that the Warriors in 17 and 18 are as good with Tatum as Durant.

[JustBuzzin]

Current Tatum or Peak Draymond, who is the better player?

Boi is ya sick?

Draymond is a high end role player even at his peak. Dude was never a all-star caliber player despite making a all-star team.

I'm one of the biggest Tatum haters on this board, but this is disrespectful to him to put Draymond in the same conversation as him as a player.

[KingofTheClay]

An all time role player vs a below average #1 option on a prototypical contender.


Most teams would take Draymond to overcome their star players’ deficiencies and add cohesiveness. Maybe they have a Donovan Mitchell and a Lauri Markannen. Draymond would instantly make them a true contender.

If you have an elite second option, and like 2+ elite role players, I’ll take Tatum I guess. But at that rate even a Pascal Siakam at a much cheaper salary would be enough to get the title.


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[rand]

Current Tatum or Peak Draymond, who is the better player?

Boi is ya sick?

Draymond is a high end role player even at his peak. Dude was never a all-star caliber player despite making a all-star team.

I'm one of the biggest Tatum haters on this board, but this is disrespectful to him to put Draymond in the same conversation as him as a player.

I could quote the array of stats which demonstrate how absurd this take is but why even bother. Anyone who believes what you wrote is too far gone to be saved in the realm of NBA analysis.

[JustBuzzin]

Current Tatum or Peak Draymond, who is the better player?

Boi is ya sick?

Draymond is a high end role player even at his peak. Dude was never a all-star caliber player despite making a all-star team.

I'm one of the biggest Tatum haters on this board, but this is disrespectful to him to put Draymond in the same conversation as him as a player.

I could quote the array of stats which demonstrate how absurd this take is but why even bother. Anyone who believes what you wrote is too far gone to be saved in the realm of NBA analysis.

You telling me you put peak Draymond with his own team as the best player they would have success?

Nobody said he was a bad player. I said he wasn't all-star caliber. His entire career he was viewed as a connector piece with great defense.

Triple single threats with great defense is not all-star imo.

Tatum is simply a better player.

[ShotCreator]

16 Draymond is essentially better on both ends.


https://www.82games.com/1516/15GSW11.HTM

At center he's a point DPOY who scores at a good level. And it's not a gimmick thing. It was tested in 3 straight playoff runs. With and without Curry. from 2015-2017.

But 2016 is the apex. Physical, skill and psychological peak all at once. With KD he psyched himself out of actually taking shots and looking to score. Because then you're taking shots away from literally, the greatest shooters ever in Steph, Klay and Durant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/08/sports/omri-casspi-warriors.html

Even to the point where career great shooters don't wanna shoot. Omri Casspi was an amazing fit with GS, but still it's a different setup when you're basically playing on Olympic team and are asked to take initiative offensively.

But in normal circumstances, like 2016, Draymond is by far better than Tatum. Many tiers up on defense, leveled out or better on offense.


Effects the game and way more powerful, important ways all over the court on both ends. Not even somewhat close of a comparison.

[ardee]

I think it's going too far to act like a player who's been around 4th/5th best player in the league in Tatum and best player on a dominant champion isn't in the convo with Draymond. Tatum is easily better on offense than Draymond and while not DPOY, is pretty solid himself. You could convince me that the Warriors in 17 and 18 are as good with Tatum as Durant.

But are they as good with Tatum instead of Draymond?