Reasonable relative rankings for Jordan, Magic, Curry, Kobe?

jalengreen · Post #1 » by **jalengreen** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:45 am

The top four guards on the latest Top 100 are Jordan, Magic, Curry, Kobe.

Consider the task of ranking these four players among themselves.

For each player, what is the highest they can justifiably be ranked?

for example, "Player A: 1, Player B: 1, Player C: 2, Player D: 4" if you think Player A and Player B can reasonably be argued #1 among the 4, Player B can reasonably be argued #2 but not #1, and Player D can't reasonably be argued over any of them.

Can provide ranges as well (1-3, 2-4, 3-4, etc). And/or your actual rankings, if you'd like.

SlimShady83 · Post #2 » by **SlimShady83** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:55 am

My Ten List

1# Jordan
5# Magic
6# Kobe
9# Curry

My 6-10 range does change from time to time depending on the mood haha, but for now It's this:)

OhayoKD · Post #3 » by **OhayoKD** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 7:56 am

jalengreen wrote:The top four guards on the latest Top 100 are Jordan, Magic, Curry, Kobe.

Consider the task of ranking these four players among themselves.

For each player, what is the highest they can justifiably be ranked?

for example, "Player A: 1, Player B: 1, Player C: 2, Player D: 4" if you think Player A and Player B can reasonably be argued #1 among the 4, Player B can reasonably be argued #2 but not #1, and Player D can't reasonably be argued over any of them.

Can provide ranges as well (1-3, 2-4, 3-4, etc). And/or your actual rankings, if you'd like.

You can argue the first 3 against each other depending on approach. Steph is likely the biggest outlier translated across most periods of nba history. Magic is the stand-out in terms of large-sampled impact signals, across-situation-replication, and ra winning %. Jordan is potentially the best in terms of on/off and the most accomplished(and probably the most postseason resilient).

Kobe is a tough sell over all 3 though I could certainly see a case against a couple depending on one's approach.

One_and_Done · Post #4 » by **One_and_Done** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:15 am

Jordan, Magic and Curry are easily in the top 10. Kobe is just outside the top 20.

Dutchball97 · Post #5 » by **Dutchball97** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 11:44 am

I have Jordan well ahead of the others here as he's the only one of them to be the best player in the league for multiple seasons and the only actual GOAT candidate among them.

Magic would be next for me with quite a distance to Jordan but I have him similarly far ahead of Curry and Kobe, who I both have competing for the 3rd spot here.

MacGill · Post #6 » by **MacGill** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:00 pm

Jordan - GOAT 1a
Magic - 4
Kobe - 7
Curry - 12

Blame Rasho · Post #7 » by **Blame Rasho** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:36 pm

One_and_Done wrote:Jordan, Magic and Curry are easily in the top 10. Kobe is just outside the top 20.

Lame troll attempt.

2.7 out 10…

eminence · Post #8 » by **eminence** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:50 pm

I’ll add in Oscar because I think he deserves it and is a similar enough player.

MJ 1-3
Magic 1-4
Steph 1-5
Kobe 2-5
Oscar 3-5

Colbinii · Post #9 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 2:01 pm

MJ 1-3
Curry 1-5
Magic 1-5
Kobe 4-5
Oscar 2-5

wafflzgod · Post #10 » by **wafflzgod** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 2:35 pm

Jordan: 1
Curry/Magic/Kobe: 2-4

I would probably go Jordan > Curry > Magic > Kobe in that order

Post #11 » by **tsherkin** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:37 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Jordan, Magic and Curry are easily in the top 10. Kobe is just outside the top 20.

Lame troll attempt.

2.7 out 10…

Is it? I also generally have Kobe in the 15-20ish range...

jalengreen · Post #12 » by **jalengreen** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:40 pm

Had a feeling the prompt might have been a little convoluted / poorly explained so that’s on me … ty those who understood and answered though.

Colbinii · Post #13 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:42 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Jordan, Magic and Curry are easily in the top 10. Kobe is just outside the top 20.

Lame troll attempt.

2.7 out 10…

Is it? I also generally have Kobe in the 15-20ish range...

Same, and there is no conceivable way for me to be the lowest on Kobe on this board.

Guess we are all living under a bridge...

Post #14 » by **tsherkin** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:43 pm

Colbinii wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
Lame troll attempt.

2.7 out 10…

Is it? I also generally have Kobe in the 15-20ish range...

Same, and there is no conceivable way for me to be the lowest on Kobe on this board.

Guess we are all living under a bridge...

I mean, I know why Rasho said that, I imagine. I doubt it is the specific ranking which is the issue, per se.

Djoker · Post #15 » by **Djoker** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 4:46 pm

I think any ranking is more or less reasonable. For example if your criteria is purely skill set, you might put Kobe #1.

My criteria when ranking players is 1) peak/prime dominance 2) winning impact 3) durability. The first two set the baseline for the rankings and then durability is the tiebreaker.

1. Jordan
2/3. Magic
2/3. Curry
4. Kobe

OhayoKD · Post #16 » by **OhayoKD** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 4:47 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Jordan, Magic and Curry are easily in the top 10. Kobe is just outside the top 20.

Lame troll attempt.

2.7 out 10…

Is it? I also generally have Kobe in the 15-20ish range...

as long as longevity/culminative accomplishment is a factor, i'd say it gets tough putting kobe near 20. or below.

prime/peak-wise maybe it's statistically feasible though I'd think 2001 and 2008/2009 both throw somewhat of a wrench there.

lessthanjake · Post #17 » by **lessthanjake** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:40 pm

I think it basically goes like this: Jordan > Magic = Curry > Kobe.

MacGill · Post #18 » by **MacGill** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:45 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Jordan, Magic and Curry are easily in the top 10. Kobe is just outside the top 20.

Lame troll attempt.

2.7 out 10…

Is it? I also generally have Kobe in the 15-20ish range...

Now, I certainly will not call this take 'horrific' :wink:

as I know you never troll but I am genuinely interested in your rationale on how you could have Kobe in the 15-20ish range. Feel free to PM to avoid taking over the thread but I cannot even rank Wilt that low and I probably view him as you do Kobe. Not that I have to state this to you but looking for authenticate discussion, not trying to change your mind on things. Lol, the way some threads go I feel I have to point that out ahead of time! :lol:

Tomtolbert · Post #19 » by **Tomtolbert** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 7:15 pm

Jordan 1
Magic 2-3
Curry 2-5
Kobe 3-6
Oscar 3-6
West 4-6

One_and_Done · Post #20 » by **One_and_Done** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:35 pm

MacGill wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
Lame troll attempt.

2.7 out 10…

Is it? I also generally have Kobe in the 15-20ish range...

Now, I certainly will not call this take 'horrific' as I know you never troll but I am genuinely interested in your rationale on how you could have Kobe in the 15-20ish range. Feel free to PM to avoid taking over the thread but I cannot even rank Wilt that low and I probably view him as you do Kobe. Not that I have to state this to you but looking for authenticate discussion, not trying to change your mind on things. Lol, the way some threads go I feel I have to point that out ahead of time!

My top 10 would be:

Lebron

Kareem/Duncan

Then in no particular order something like Shaq, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Curry, Hakeem, KG.

After that I'd have KD, and would be looking at guys like Giannis, Jokic, CP3, Nash, Dirk, K.Malone, D.Rob, Dr J, etc, before Kobe. I'd likely take Wade and maybe Harden over Kobe too. I'd say Luka will certainly finish over Kobe at his current trajectory.