Who goes to Kwame Brown for BB analysis?

[penbeast0]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kwame-brown-if-bronny-james-doesn-t-learn-how-to-bring-the-ball-up-he-s-going-to-be-a-poor-man-s-juan-dixon/ar-AA1qZlNw?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=9f785e4be18543d4b072a2c3892b244a&ei=53

I'm not saying he's wrong but who thinks: "I need some real analysis of Bronny and LeBron James, let's go interview Kwame Brown."

[OhayoKD]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kwame-brown-if-bronny-james-doesn-t-learn-how-to-bring-the-ball-up-he-s-going-to-be-a-poor-man-s-juan-dixon/ar-AA1qZlNw?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=9f785e4be18543d4b072a2c3892b244a&ei=53

I'm not saying he's wrong but who thinks: "I need some real analysis of Bronny and LeBron James, let's go interview Kwame Brown."

memes aside is there a reason to assume a professional basketball player couldn't offer solid analysis of other basketball players?

[B-Mitch 30]

Kwame gets too much hate, guy had positive true shooting and plus-minus numbers from 2004-2009.

[Owly]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kwame-brown-if-bronny-james-doesn-t-learn-how-to-bring-the-ball-up-he-s-going-to-be-a-poor-man-s-juan-dixon/ar-AA1qZlNw?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=9f785e4be18543d4b072a2c3892b244a&ei=53

I'm not saying he's wrong but who thinks: "I need some real analysis of Bronny and LeBron James, let's go interview Kwame Brown."

memes aside is there a reason to assume a professional basketball player couldn't offer solid analysis of other basketball players?

Some might argue the jobs done by some (perhaps many) former pros in media and other areas requiring analysis of players versus the field.

But really that and the case more broadly wouldn't that case that "a professional basketball player couldn't" do that job. But then I'm not focused on that because arguably that isn't the pertinent question. It would perhaps be: are they particularly well placed to do so?

The barrier for people's attention shouldn't be getting above "I know you can't do the job". They are free to do it but the question is whether to go there and listen.

In some instances and especially versus a hypothetical field in which there were no such voices, they might have unique insight and be able to articulate it well. In others less so and without watching a lot of talk stuff my sense is that perspective isn't unavailable.

Don't know if Kwame has some great, well researched insight here. Then again I don't know whether right now Bronny is worthy of a great deal of research (but then also ... of comment).

[tsherkin]

Kwame gets too much hate, guy had positive true shooting and plus-minus numbers from 2004-2009.

He was fairly dim during his career, but he ultimately carved out a semi-respectable role for a while, sure.

He definitely wasn't the guy who understood the game or knew what he was talking about at any point, though. Certainly not the source of good information or quality analysis..

[og15]

Juan Dixon made it 7 seasons, so a poor man's Juan Dixon would get like 4 seasons in the NBA.

In all seriousness, I saw this earlier this morning and just thought, whatever, Kwame can give his thoughts if there are those interested in hearing them.

Not the worst takes out there, so, yea...

[rrravenred]

"Lebron has no midrange or post game" is indeed quite a take.

Kwame Brown on LeBron James: "But the problem is, when he plays teams like Chicago or Boston, who have real solid principles, he has trouble. And so the old-school players wouldn't have any trouble with LeBron because, at 39, he should have developed a mid-range and a post game, and he still hasn't yet. He still has the athletic ability to just go 94 feet — which, I don't know how, but he still has it. But if he didn't have this athleticism, his game really hasn't evolved outside of a three and putting his head down and going to the basket. He doesn't go like Paul Pierce, getting to a spot, pulling up. Those are the things you normally see out of a superstar player." -via YouTube / September 22, 2024

[One_and_Done]

He can't be worse than the average talking head.

[tsherkin]

"Lebron has no midrange or post game" is indeed quite a take.

In retirement as in his career: a dumbass.

[OhayoKD]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kwame-brown-if-bronny-james-doesn-t-learn-how-to-bring-the-ball-up-he-s-going-to-be-a-poor-man-s-juan-dixon/ar-AA1qZlNw?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=9f785e4be18543d4b072a2c3892b244a&ei=53

I'm not saying he's wrong but who thinks: "I need some real analysis of Bronny and LeBron James, let's go interview Kwame Brown."

memes aside is there a reason to assume a professional basketball player couldn't offer solid analysis of other basketball players?

Some might argue the jobs done by some (perhaps many) former pros in media and other areas requiring analysis of players versus the field.

That's fine, but the OP seems think Kwame Browns...wasn't good enough at basketball to be taken seriously, when plenty of people worse at basketball than Brown are taken seriously.

The barrier for people's attention shouldn't be getting above "I know you can't do the job". They are free to do it but the question is whether to go there and listen.

Yeah I'm not saying him being a basketball player means he's qualified. I'm just saying him not being great at the highest level of the sport shouldn't be considered disqualifying.

[Owly]

memes aside is there a reason to assume a professional basketball player couldn't offer solid analysis of other basketball players?

Some might argue the jobs done by some (perhaps many) former pros in media and other areas requiring analysis of players versus the field.

That's fine, but the OP seems think Kwame Browns...wasn't good enough at basketball to be taken seriously, when plenty of people worse at basketball than Brown are taken seriously.

The barrier for people's attention shouldn't be getting above "I know you can't do the job". They are free to do it but the question is whether to go there and listen.

Yeah I'm not saying him being a basketball player means he's qualified. I'm just saying him not being great at the highest level of the sport shouldn't be considered disqualifying.

Point 1 ... is your reading. It's not explicit in the text. IDK whether that's why Kwame in particular is catching this or whether he's the guy OP came across talking about Bronny, or it's a Washington thing or whatever. That wasn't my reading, but I won't won't pretend to be certain on posters motivation and nuances of intent, but the author is here if you want to inquire.

I'd be really surprised if a mod here thought not being above a certain level as a pro was disqualifying for opining on basketball.

Point 2 ... so we aren't in any disagreement and per the above and the actual opening post I don't think you're responding to an actually expressed opinion. It's not "Kawme should shut up" or "Players of his level don't get to comment" which would be silly. So far as I can tell it's asking why Kwame is sought, not why isn't he muzzled.

[tsherkin]

That's fine, but the OP seems think Kwame Browns...wasn't good enough at basketball to be taken seriously, when plenty of people worse at basketball than Brown are taken seriously.

I don't think the contention is that Kwame's proficiency as an NBA player was insufficient for him to comment...

[penbeast0]

It is sort of a Washington thing, and that Kwame was far from a cerebral player when he played for us, and other incidents across his career (mainly remembering Phil Jackson losing patience with him). Some players who aren't great still come across as cerebral. Others come across as JaVale McGee. But mainly it was just snark, combined with the critique, not to be taken seriously.

[trex_8063]

Kwame gets too much hate, guy had positive true shooting and plus-minus numbers from 2004-2009.

Some small corrections, and additional comments......

He did NOT have a positive TS in '05 or '08 (though he did have a positive TS Add five times between '04-'11 [though by < +10 THREE of those times]).

And while he may have had some positive plus-minus, his PI RAPM was fairly consistently underwhelming (negative every year of his career, in fact [somewhat substantially so a couple years]:
'02: -0.1
'03: -0.5
'04: -0.9
'05: -2.1
'06: -3.1
'07: -0.3
'08: -2.5
'09: -0.4
'10: -1.5
'11: -2.7


That said, you're probably right that he gets too much hate. He wasn't a scrub (at least not ALL of his career). He just wasn't good, either, which was a sore disappointment for a #1 pick. If he had been taken #30 in the draft, we'd never ever talk about him.


And like OP says: it's not that he's wrong, it's just curious that he's the one some journalist tapped for a statement (perhaps it was the only former player this reporter had access to???).

[JimmyFromNz]

Agree. Who goes to Kwame Brown for analysis?

We'd have to be deliberately obtuse to find that a confusing question.

There are thousands of past and present professionals, coaches, analysts all of who possess the character, ethic, judgment, behaviour and intellect to inform a respected view.

Kwame has emphatically shown during and after his playing career he has very few of those qualities.

Just take a couple of minutes on his social media and you'll see this is not a sound person we should be leaping for insight from.

The real reason they asked him for his thoughts is because of his previous very public, nonsensical rant on Lebron.

[tsherkin]

Kwame gets too much hate, guy had positive true shooting and plus-minus numbers from 2004-2009.

You understand that this was largely because he took 5.4 FGA/g in that stretch and maxed out at 5.9, right? 24.5 mpg, 193 GS, 325 GP, 62.9% AST baskets, 15% of his shots were dunks. Negative TSAdd in two of those seasons, one at +0.6...

This is not the claim you want to make.

[B-Mitch 30]

Kwame gets too much hate, guy had positive true shooting and plus-minus numbers from 2004-2009.

You understand that this was largely because he took 5.4 FGA/g in that stretch and maxed out at 5.9, right? 24.5 mpg, 193 GS, 325 GP, 62.9% AST baskets, 15% of his shots were dunks. Negative TSAdd in two of those seasons, one at +0.6...

This is not the claim you want to make.

That's fair, I mostly said it because I'm a glass half full kind of guy, and I also didn't see Kwame say that nonsense about LeBron not having a mid-range game.

[Slava]

We all need to apologize to Kobe for having to put up with this ass clown for two seasons while in his prime.

[tsherkin]

That's fair, I mostly said it because I'm a glass half full kind of guy, and I also didn't see Kwame say that nonsense about LeBron not having a mid-range game.

Kwame has never come off as a particularly worldly or insightful man. Obviously we don't know him personally, so such inferences are a little dangerous, but he had a very low basketball IQ, crap hands and he clearly doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground about Lebron's game, wherefore the various criticisms of his remarks.

I don't think anyone really cares that he wasn't very good as an NBA player except in a remarkably limited role, he just... doesn't know or say anything useful, you know?

[tsherkin]

We all need to apologize to Kobe for having to put up with this ass clown for two seasons while in his prime.

Kobe had it rough until the Pau trade. Taught him something about roster quality, I suspect. But man, that 06 team was a little rough.