Jayson Tatum All-NBA (1st )& Jaylen Brown('24 Finals MVP) - 24-25 NBA Season Thread

TroubleS0me · Post #1 » by **TroubleS0me** » Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:53 pm

They are back. They are the NBA Champs, can they do it again?
Tatum got his 1st Gold Medal.
Jaylen was not on team USA but he got 2024 Finals MVP & 2024 ECF MVP instead.

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Post #2 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:52 pm

Until we see some regular season action, as far as I can tell, they have as good a chance as anyone. And if Tatum can score effectively in the playoffs instead of what he managed last season, their chancea of a repeat rise considerably.

TroubleS0me · Post #3 » by **TroubleS0me** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:50 am

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Post #4 » by **trex_8063** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:27 pm

To answer question in the OP: let me just say that it wouldn't surprise me. If they stay healthy, their top 8-9 man rotation is awfully good. Look how solid their line-up is even without Porzingis.

Side-note on game 1 (I didn't get to see any of it): weird that they had 29 made three's [+18 compared to their opponent] and and only 4 turnovers [-8 compared to opponent], but somehow "only" won by 23. Looking at those to figures, I'd have expected a blowout of at least 25-27 pts (and probably >30).
Knicks got to the line more, but not a ton [only +5 in FTM]. idk, strange box-score.

Post #5 » by **tsherkin** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:47 pm

trex_8063 wrote:To answer question in the OP: let me just say that it wouldn't surprise me. If they stay healthy, their top 8-9 man rotation is awfully good. Look how solid their line-up is even without Porzingis.

Side-note on game 1 (I didn't get to see any of it): weird that they had 29 made three's [+18 compared to their opponent] and and only 4 turnovers [-8 compared to opponent], but somehow "only" won by 23. Looking at those to figures, I'd have expected a blowout of at least 25-27 pts (and probably >30).
Knicks got to the line more, but not a ton [only +5 in FTM]. idk, strange box-score.

Massive first quarter and then pretty tight game thereafter. Boston made 5 more shots but took like 17 more attempts. They cooled off considerably in the second half. But yeah, 43 points in the first. 19-point lead from the jump.

bigboi · Post #6 » by **bigboi** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:20 pm

TroubleS0me wrote:They are back. They are the NBA Champs, can they do it again?
Tatum got his 1st Gold Medal.
Jaylen was not on team USA but he got 2024 Finals MVP & 2024 ECF MVP instead.

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Will revisit this classic mid season to see how Tatum is tracking for mvp

eminence · Post #7 » by **eminence** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:30 pm

Minor note - that was Tatum's 2nd gold medal.

Post #8 » by **tsherkin** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:31 pm

bigboi wrote:
TroubleS0me wrote:They are back. They are the NBA Champs, can they do it again?
Tatum got his 1st Gold Medal.
Jaylen was not on team USA but he got 2024 Finals MVP & 2024 ECF MVP instead.

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Will revisit this classic mid season to see how Tatum is tracking for mvp

I doubt he wins it, and he is highly unlikely to deserve it, but he's been 6th, 4th and 6th in the vote. He'll likely have similar token support if he maintains scoring volume in the RS and Boston wins a lot of games.

We'll see who is healthy, I guess. There are a bunch of guys clearly superior and a number beyond that who define the tier in which Tatum belongs. He's very good but he lacks MVP-caliber play. Still really good, though, and obviously huge for Boston. They will bw very good again and contenders if healthy. So it is somewhat moot, I guess, outside of the errant presumption that the best guy on a title squad must be an MVP-caliber player.

Jaqua92 · Post #9 » by **Jaqua92** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:14 pm

trex_8063 wrote:To answer question in the OP: let me just say that it wouldn't surprise me. If they stay healthy, their top 8-9 man rotation is awfully good. Look how solid their line-up is even without Porzingis.

Side-note on game 1 (I didn't get to see any of it): weird that they had 29 made three's [+18 compared to their opponent] and and only 4 turnovers [-8 compared to opponent], but somehow "only" won by 23. Looking at those to figures, I'd have expected a blowout of at least 25-27 pts (and probably >30).
Knicks got to the line more, but not a ton [only +5 in FTM]. idk, strange box-score.

They were up by over 30.

The lead shrunk when the benched spent the last 8 minutes trying to break the record.

The game was not as close as the score indicates

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bigboi · Post #10 » by **bigboi** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:25 am

tsherkin wrote:
bigboi wrote:
TroubleS0me wrote:They are back. They are the NBA Champs, can they do it again?
Tatum got his 1st Gold Medal.
Jaylen was not on team USA but he got 2024 Finals MVP & 2024 ECF MVP instead.

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Will revisit this classic mid season to see how Tatum is tracking for mvp

I doubt he wins it, and he is highly unlikely to deserve it, but he's been 6th, 4th and 6th in the vote. He'll likely have similar token support if he maintains scoring volume in the RS and Boston wins a lot of games.

We'll see who is healthy, I guess. There are a bunch of guys clearly superior and a number beyond that who define the tier in which Tatum belongs. He's very good but he lacks MVP-caliber play. Still really good, though, and obviously huge for Boston. They will bw very good again and contenders if healthy. So it is somewhat moot, I guess, outside of the errant presumption that the best guy on a title squad must be an MVP-caliber player.

Cool story bro. You never know what you’re talking about when it comes to Celtics lmao. But ok

Post #11 » by **tsherkin** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:46 pm

bigboi warned for personal attack. Keep it to discussing the Celtic players, not other posters.

TroubleS0me · Post #12 » by **TroubleS0me** » Sat Nov 9, 2024 7:02 am

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Post #13 » by **tsherkin** » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:43 pm

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Good start to the season. REALLY leaning into 3pt volume at the moment, so we'll see how that goes for him (and others) later in the year. Last night was an interesting one, because he was totally useless above the break but killing it from the corners. Hustle was impressive. Looked very smooth catching in the left corner and letting fly, very comfortable. Most of them were him sprinting ahead in transition, but he had a nice one where he was inbounding from the baseline and then just dipped over, caught the pass and drilled it. Most of his buckets were created by others. He had 5 3s and three transition buckets (though one of those he created himself with a steal). The game illustrated his off-ball movement pretty well. He cuts well when he doesn't have the ball. He's kind of the anti-Melo in that regard, which is nice. Doesn't have sticky hands, doesn't take a year and a day with the ball. Moves well without it. Wields the threat of his shot and his presence in the paint well.

He had some good passes pump-faking from the 3pt line and all that, and a nice pass to the corner off a drive. Doesn't really seem to get below the foul line with the ball when he was starting above the arc, but he was able to move the D enough to get passes off (at least one with his left hand, which was nice) for good looks. Had a nice turnaround from below the left elbow which was quite smooth. Wish we'd see more of that, honestly. He has a pretty extreme game at the moment in terms of its distribution, which has its flaws. But his approach to the game is pretty solid.

Kind of vaguely reminds me of an updated Alex English. The range is different, but the basic premise of his strengths is similar.

Cavsfansince84 · Post #14 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Sat Nov 9, 2024 9:50 pm

So how serious is Brown's injury and how long until he's supposed to be back?

Triple M · Post #15 » by **Triple M** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:41 am

Cavsfansince84 wrote:So how serious is Brown's injury and how long until he's supposed to be back?

He has been upgraded to questionable for Sunday's game vs Milwaukee but i expect him back vs Atlanta in the cup

TroubleS0me · Post #16 » by **TroubleS0me** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:36 am

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Post #17 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:20 am

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2/7 in the first half while Boston went down 11; 3/8 in the third, 2/6 in the 4th. 4/12 from 3. 7/21 from the field overall, 5 turnovers... PTS/REB/AST remains a very incomplete slash line. Murdered it getting to the line, of course, and he did make a timely three before missing his last 2 shots and sealing it at the line as Milwaukee fouled him a couple times trying to get the ball back.

TroubleS0me · Post #18 » by **TroubleS0me** » Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:50 am

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Triple M · Post #19 » by **Triple M** » Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:57 am

Tatum doesn't miss games and is improving as a playmaker. He only avg 4 to 5 assist but i feel like his play making is better than his raw #s. His touch shooting is still inconsistent but he's getting to the line more and it seems like he's getting more FTs off 3 point shots than drives.

I like JB setting the tone grabbibg up 12 rebounds last night after the team's poor rebounding effort vs Atl.

Post #20 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:19 pm

Triple M wrote:Tatum doesn't miss games and is improving as a playmaker. He only avg 4 to 5 assist but i feel like his play making is better than his raw #s. His touch shooting is still inconsistent but he's getting to the line more and it seems like he's getting more FTs off 3 point shots than drives.

More comfortable in their sets, maybe? He's at 5.6 apg but 11.8 potential assists. He was at 4.9 and 8.9 last year. Just the stats, of course, but it lines up with your remark about his feel improving and all that.

And yes, early, his draw rate is up to .444, which would be a career-high by a fairly significant margin. First time at .400+. He's had four games at 13+ FTA, so that's definitely influencing the average at the moment, but we'll see. He was at .399 in 2023, so he isn't outlandishly far ahead of what he's done previously.

Will the Celtics repeat?