Nikola Jokic 24-25 All-NBA (1st) Thread - 24 NBA MVP

[TroubleS0me]

MVP 1 more time?
The Nuggets lost KCP and gain a Westbrook
Aaron Gordon got a new contract
Will Murray and Porter step up?

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[Cavsfansince84]

MVP 1 more time?

Gonna take a lot going his way for it to happen. Absolutely has to get a top 2 seed in the west to start, put up the usual monster numbers and then hope that none of Luka/Giannis/whoever put up monster numbers. I could also see the media getting on a big 'Tatum for mvp' train if the Celtics get out to a fast start and win 60+ games again while leaving the rest of the east in the dust. I'd put his chances at about 10-15% at most because I don't think the Nuggets will win much more than about 50 games and I'm not sure he will push himself in the rs that much to have those 45+ pt games he will need.

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[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

When the teams are equal, and the players are equal, the MVP vote goes to the player who has not won the MVP before.

My favorite to win the MVP not that I like him is Doncic.

[Peregrine01]

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Murray and MPJ are the DEFINITION of streaky.

[AEnigma]

Since the COVID break, Jamal and MPJ have been two of the fifteen best perimetre shooters in the league.

[Peregrine01]

“Since the COVID break”. A good overall percentage says little about its variance. Murray and MPJ can go on heaters and then go through stretches when they miss everything. Their shooting has been pretty Jekyl and Hyde so far this year and throughout last year’s playoffs.

[AEnigma]

“Since the COVID break”.

So four years now? Are you seriously anchoring yourself to when young Jamal was a 36% shooter?

A good overall percentage says little about its variance. Murray and MPJ can go on heaters and then go through stretches when they miss everything. Their shooting has been pretty Jekyl and Hyde so far this year and throughout last year’s playoffs.

Empty statement barring any real analysis of whether they are statistically “streakier” than other top shooters — and regardless, being streaky does not preclude one from being an objectively good shooter.

[Colbinii]

]A good overall percentage says little about its variance. Murray and MPJ can go on heaters and then go through stretches when they miss everything. Their shooting has been pretty Jekyl and Hyde so far this year and throughout last year’s playoffs.

Empty statement barring any real analysis of whether they are statistically “streakier” than other top shooters — and regardless, being streaky does not preclude one from being an objectively good shooter.

100%.

It is so easy to say "Player A is streaky" but are people making these comments comparing them to other players?

Why not spend 30 minutes compiling these players from 2021-2024 [4 seasons] and look at the variance in their 3P% by game or their 3PM by game?

[Peregrine01]

“Since the COVID break”.

So four years now? Are you seriously anchoring yourself to when young Jamal was a 36% shooter?

A good overall percentage says little about its variance. Murray and MPJ can go on heaters and then go through stretches when they miss everything. Their shooting has been pretty Jekyl and Hyde so far this year and throughout last year’s playoffs.

Empty statement barring any real analysis of whether they are statistically “streakier” than other top shooters — and regardless, being streaky does not preclude one from being an objectively good shooter.

I meant that their shooting as of late has completely deserted them. Probably comes back at some point but that's kind of indicative of their streakiness. Yeah, no arguments at all that they're good shooters, but they're streaky. The broader problem is that when they're not on, they're not adding much else to the game.

[AEnigma]

Yeah, both definitely went cold against the Wolves, with Murray getting a head start on MPJ but with MPJ staying colder through the start of this season. In the regular season you can usually wait those cold streaks out, but without any other capable shooters, the Nuggets are going to feel the negative effects of their bad nights a lot more.

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[tsherkin]

He's scoring. He doesn't have much of a choice right now. Denver has not been good. That performance raised them to the SECOND-worst offense in the league after 3 games. And he shot almost 67% from the floor on 27 FGA just himself. That's how well Denver is performing around him.

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[Clyde Frazier]

Went to nets nuggets last night. Ended up being a very entertaining second half but this nuggets team is a mess right now. I’m not worried about them securing a top 6 seed, but they’re really going to have to improve for the playoffs.

Jokic was incredible as always. He got a longer rest than usual in the 1st/2nd quarter, but midway through the 3rd you look up and he had something like 17/12/13. As they mounted a comeback he just took over and the nets had no answer for him. They admittedly don’t have much size, but it was still fun to watch.

As for the nuggets problems, Murray and MPJ look rusty and gordon just didn’t look as engaged. Then there’s the Westbrook experience which is so erratic, and the rest of the roster is just eh. It’s a long season and they could even make some moves at the deadline. They have their work cut out for them tho.

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[Statlanta]

Nothing to look forward to on this team besides individual Jokic accolades.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

]A good overall percentage says little about its variance. Murray and MPJ can go on heaters and then go through stretches when they miss everything. Their shooting has been pretty Jekyl and Hyde so far this year and throughout last year’s playoffs.

Empty statement barring any real analysis of whether they are statistically “streakier” than other top shooters — and regardless, being streaky does not preclude one from being an objectively good shooter.

100%.

It is so easy to say "Player A is streaky" but are people making these comments comparing them to other players?

Why not spend 30 minutes compiling these players from 2021-2024 [4 seasons] and look at the variance in their 3P% by game or their 3PM by game?

I would love to see any Gini coefficient about shooting.
I remember a very old thread on rsbp, before RealGM was born, about the "death of the streak shooter". It was being argued how streak are statistically normal and all player follow a close to random trend.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

To be honest I am starting to question Malone's rotations, when we discuss about the Nuggets lack of depth.
It seems to me he's not helping the 7th to 12th men to develop and gain confidence, he's rarely playing them and almost never they get minutes on the court with Jokic.
It's really night and day how they perform with or without him on the floor. Forget the numbers, the eye test is more than enough. Guys in the wrong spots, overdribbling, turnovers, no ball movement... how do you expect a young guy to gain confidence in such an environment?
That's why I understood and was behind the Dario signing, he could have put order. But now he's also lost so they must do something to get everyone in the right mental space.
Even the Nnaji thing, give him some minutes. Why couldn't you try him for like 10 minutes with Jokic when you're blowing out Utah? If anything you might have a few good weeks and have zero trade value, instead of negative.
There's a clear difference on vision and, while I agree Booth might have been pushing to much in one direction, Malone is really extreme on the other way.