Mobley vs Sengun
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:07 am
Which big man would you rather have on a 5 years deal?
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One_and_Done wrote:Mobley and it's not even close. You never want a guy like Sengun to be your starting 5 if you can avoid it, whereas Mobley is ideal at the 4 or 5.
70sFan wrote:One_and_Done wrote:Mobley and it's not even close. You never want a guy like Sengun to be your starting 5 if you can avoid it, whereas Mobley is ideal at the 4 or 5.
You don't want an all-star level player to be your starting center? I don't know, I think plenty of teams in the league would be fine with Sengun on the lineup.
One_and_Done wrote:70sFan wrote:One_and_Done wrote:Mobley and it's not even close. You never want a guy like Sengun to be your starting 5 if you can avoid it, whereas Mobley is ideal at the 4 or 5.
You don't want an all-star level player to be your starting center? I don't know, I think plenty of teams in the league would be fine with Sengun on the lineup.
Sengun isn't an all-star. Plenty of teams would be fine with him, but you never want to build your team around flawed players if you can help it.
70sFan wrote:One_and_Done wrote:70sFan wrote:You don't want an all-star level player to be your starting center? I don't know, I think plenty of teams in the league would be fine with Sengun on the lineup.
Sengun isn't an all-star. Plenty of teams would be fine with him, but you never want to build your team around flawed players if you can help it.
He played like one last year.
All players have flaws, not all teams can get Jokic or Giannis to their lineup.
One_and_Done wrote:70sFan wrote:One_and_Done wrote:Sengun isn't an all-star. Plenty of teams would be fine with him, but you never want to build your team around flawed players if you can help it.
He played like one last year.
All players have flaws, not all teams can get Jokic or Giannis to their lineup.
12 guys make the all-star team. Sengun had no business being an all-star last year or this year. It's also notable that his numbers are down now that the Rockets are doing better, which aligns with how the Rockets played better without him last year.
Sengun has alot of flaws you have to work around, and which leave your team suboptimal. He was struggling so much against Wemby they had to put him on a reduced minutes diet vs the Spurs, and try to feed him minutes in favourable match ups. Just a flawed player. If you're shooting for 48 wins and a 1st round exit, he might just be the 5 for you.
Jokic strengths are so great he mostly overcomes his flaws. Sengun is not like that.
70sFan wrote:One_and_Done wrote:70sFan wrote:He played like one last year.
All players have flaws, not all teams can get Jokic or Giannis to their lineup.
12 guys make the all-star team. Sengun had no business being an all-star last year or this year. It's also notable that his numbers are down now that the Rockets are doing better, which aligns with how the Rockets played better without him last year.
Sengun has alot of flaws you have to work around, and which leave your team suboptimal. He was struggling so much against Wemby they had to put him on a reduced minutes diet vs the Spurs, and try to feed him minutes in favourable match ups. Just a flawed player. If you're shooting for 48 wins and a 1st round exit, he might just be the 5 for you.
Jokic strengths are so great he mostly overcomes his flaws. Sengun is not like that.
Tell me more about these flaws, because struggling against generational prospect with GOAT level physical tools doesn't reject you from being all-star level player.
You just mentioned Jokic, Sengun doesn't have the same limitations as Jokic (rim protection).
I'm sure Mobley inability to shoot isn't a flaw though and no team could ever exploit.
One_and_Done wrote:70sFan wrote:One_and_Done wrote:Sengun isn't an all-star. Plenty of teams would be fine with him, but you never want to build your team around flawed players if you can help it.
He played like one last year.
All players have flaws, not all teams can get Jokic or Giannis to their lineup.
12 guys make the all-star team. Sengun had no business being an all-star last year or this year. It's also notable that his numbers are down now that the Rockets are doing better, which aligns with how the Rockets played better without him last year.
Sengun has alot of flaws you have to work around, and which leave your team suboptimal. He was struggling so much against Wemby they had to put him on a reduced minutes diet vs the Spurs, and try to feed him minutes in favourable match ups. Just a flawed player. If you're shooting for 48 wins and a 1st round exit, he might just be the 5 for you.
Jokic strengths are so great he mostly overcomes his flaws. Sengun is not like that.
One_and_Done wrote:I mean, his flaws are pretty well known, but I listed them for those who are apparently unaware in the post right above you.
One_and_Done wrote:12 guys make the all-star team. Sengun had no business being an all-star last year or this year. It's also notable that his numbers are down now that the Rockets are doing better, which aligns with how the Rockets played better without him last year.
One_and_Done wrote:70sFan wrote:One_and_Done wrote:12 guys make the all-star team. Sengun had no business being an all-star last year or this year. It's also notable that his numbers are down now that the Rockets are doing better, which aligns with how the Rockets played better without him last year.
Sengun has alot of flaws you have to work around, and which leave your team suboptimal. He was struggling so much against Wemby they had to put him on a reduced minutes diet vs the Spurs, and try to feed him minutes in favourable match ups. Just a flawed player. If you're shooting for 48 wins and a 1st round exit, he might just be the 5 for you.
Jokic strengths are so great he mostly overcomes his flaws. Sengun is not like that.
Tell me more about these flaws, because struggling against generational prospect with GOAT level physical tools doesn't reject you from being all-star level player.
You just mentioned Jokic, Sengun doesn't have the same limitations as Jokic (rim protection).
I'm sure Mobley inability to shoot isn't a flaw though and no team could ever exploit.
Sengun doesn't have particularly good size, athleticism, length, etc. He isn't a particularly good shooter. He was a bunch of weaknesses, like being a PnR target and doesn't compensate by giving you elite rim protection like Gobert or GOAT offense like Jokic. I don't care if rim protection stats like Sengun, and I haven't checked if they do, but defensive stats in general are less reliable than offensive ones. You don't feel Sengun going to the rim. You feel his strong perimeter guys hounding you into bad angles. Houston looked much better letting Smith play the 5, giving them shot blocking and 3pt shooting.
Mobley is shooting well from 3 this year, but it doesn't matter as much anyway because he doesn't bring all the weaknesses Sengun does. Mobley can move quickly around the perimeter and provide help defense, elite defense in fact. Sengun is a jumble of interesting skills that are distributed in suboptimal categories.
One_and_Done wrote:You probably shouldn't mention Hakeem in the same sentence when discussing Sengun's poor D.
Statlanta wrote:I prefer Sengun, he's closer to the best player on his team than Mobley is for his own.