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I came back to my shooting chart work on oldschool players. This time I finished Adrian Dantley Jazz games. It's a sample of 23 games, in which Dantley averaged:
29.6/5.3/3.0 with 3.3 tov on 54 FG%, 79 FT% and 61 TS%

Compared to full RS averages of:
29.9/5.9/3.8 with 3.4 tov on 56 FG%, 82 FT% and 63 TS%

The sample isn't 100% representative, Dantley is a little bit less efficient compared to his usual self there. Anyway, here are the numbers:



Shooting distribution:

34% of FGA from 0-3
37% of FGA from 3-10
10% of FGA from 10-16
17% of FGA from 16-3P
1% of FGA from 3P

Shooting efficiency:

78% from 0-3
43% from 3-10
44% from 10-16
36% from 16-3P
20% from 3P

I also did the distinction with different ranges - inside restricted area, inside the paint, from midrange and from three point range:



Shooting distribution:

41% of FGA at rim
29% of FGA in paint
29% of FGA from midrange
1% of FGA from 3P

Shooting efficiency:

72% at rim
45% in paint
37% from midrange
20% from 3P

Finally, here are the play type and TSA distribution:





I also have play-type data here (note that I didn't include any non shooting foul FTs here, which is why total ppg average is lower than overall):

Post Game: 6.3 ppg on 52 TS%, 1.00 ppp
Driving Game: 4.4 ppg on 66 TS%, 1.26 ppp
ISO Midrange Game: 2.5 ppg on 41 TS%, 0.81 ppp
Offensive Rebounding: 1.9 ppg on 73 TS%, 1.40 ppp
Own Shots Putbacks: 0.4 ppg on 37 TS%, 0.69 ppp
Catch and Shoot: 1.3 ppg on 38.9 TS%, 0.78 ppp
P&R Ball-handler: 0.2 ppg on 25 TS% , 0.50 ppp
Transition Game: 6.6 ppg on 80 TS%, 1.49 ppp
Deep Catches and Cuts: 4.0 ppg on 80 TS%, 1.65 ppp

Total: 27.6 ppg on 60 TS%


It's a bit messy post, but I hope it's readable. Please let me know if you want to know anything else!

Terrific work!

Guy is one of the best scorers ever that flies under the radar.

Great post, as always. Thanks, 70sFan!

Any tracking on where and how he was drawing his fouls?

tsherkin wrote:Great post, as always. Thanks, 70sFan!

Any tracking on where and how he was drawing his fouls?

His FTr was the highest on drives and putbacks (65-68%), quite high on cuts and deep catches (56%), lower in post up isos (34%) and transition plays (36%). He also got fouled plenty off-ball, which I didn't track (but was a FT bonus machine thanks to that).


Also, added Points per possession for the data.

Great stuff ! 78% at the rim. Makes me curious - how many dunks, guessing it's a real low number.

Would it be fair to say he was a similar style scorer to Carmelo?

D.Brasco wrote:Would it be fair to say he was a similar style scorer to Carmelo?

Not really, he did far more damage as an off-ball inside player and I think he did more in transition.

70sFan wrote:

tsherkin wrote:Great post, as always. Thanks, 70sFan!

Any tracking on where and how he was drawing his fouls?

His FTr was the highest on drives and putbacks (65-68%), quite high on cuts and deep catches (56%), lower in post up isos (34%) and transition plays (36%). He also got fouled plenty off-ball, which I didn't track (but was a FT bonus machine thanks to that).

Also, added Points per possession for the data.

What often gets lost about Dantley is his sneaky good offensive rebounding because most (rightly so) concentrate on his unique offensive game. He was always around the basket sealing people off. What % of his putback attempts were off of his own misses?

homecourtloss wrote:

70sFan wrote:

tsherkin wrote:Great post, as always. Thanks, 70sFan!

Any tracking on where and how he was drawing his fouls?

His FTr was the highest on drives and putbacks (65-68%), quite high on cuts and deep catches (56%), lower in post up isos (34%) and transition plays (36%). He also got fouled plenty off-ball, which I didn't track (but was a FT bonus machine thanks to that).

Also, added Points per possession for the data.

What often gets lost about Dantley is his sneaky good offensive rebounding because most (rightly so) concentrate on his unique offensive game. He was always around the basket sealing people off. What % of his putback attempts were off of his own misses?

In my sample, it's 10 FGA and 5 FTA out of 32 FGA and 20 FTA on all putbacks, so roughly 30% of his putback attempts were his own misses.

DQuinn1575 wrote:Great stuff ! 78% at the rim. Makes me curious - how many dunks, guessing it's a real low number.

Two dunks and one missed attempt, so 3 attempts out of 147 FGA inside the 3 feet.

D.Brasco wrote:Would it be fair to say he was a similar style scorer to Carmelo?

I don't think rich man's Carmelo Anthony is a terrible description though Dantley's game was less conventional considering his size. I've always though of him as Barkley with guile instead of strength.

penbeast0 wrote:

D.Brasco wrote:Would it be fair to say he was a similar style scorer to Carmelo?

I don't think rich man's Carmelo Anthony is a terrible description though Dantley's game was less conventional considering his size. I've always though of him as Barkley with guile instead of strength.

Not that he lacked strength, his lower body was quite impressive actually.

I'd say Barkley without his conventional athleticism, but that could actually shoot and was more crafty is a decent comparison.

I get the impression Dantley was a worse passer than Barkley though, considering his complete lack of team success before Mark Eaton joined the Jazz.

penbeast0 wrote:

D.Brasco wrote:Would it be fair to say he was a similar style scorer to Carmelo?

I don't think rich man's Carmelo Anthony is a terrible description though Dantley's game was less conventional considering his size. I've always though of him as Barkley with guile instead of strength.

I don't see it. Melo didn't have anything like that sort of post game, and was far, far slower as a face-up guy. He also had a lot more range.