Zero vs One vs Two Championships

[durantbird]

All players judged by their peak.

2000s Stars with One Championship:

Jason Kidd / Chauncey Billups
Paul Pierce / Gary Payton
Kevin Garnett / Peja Stojakovic
Dirk Nowtizki / Shawn Marion
Dwight Howard / Alonzo Mourning

2000s Stars without Championships:

John Stockton / Steve Nash
Reggie Miller / Allen Iverson
Tracy McGrady / Vince Carter
Karl Malone / Grant Hill
Dikembe Mutombo / Amar'e Stoudemire

2000s-2010s Stars with Exactly Two Championships:

Jrue Holiday / Rajon Rondo
Ray Allen / J.R. Smith
Kawhi Leonard / Lamar Odom
Kevin Durant / Pau Gasol
David Robinson / Chris Bosh

How would you rank those teams?

[penbeast0]

Well, first, while I agree that Garnet/Dirk is the way to go, their value is going to be less playing one of them out of position at the 3. KG played it as a skinny teenager but they are both better as bigs in their prime. Just don't see that team coming close to maximizing its talent.

For the second team, no way I'm starting Amare over Mutombo with those lineups. There aren't enough shots left after Malone, TMac, and Miller get theirs to make Amare's defense worth defending. With Deke at center, it works better.

The third team should be the easy favorite with modern coaching and rules/referees. With 2005 coaching/rules/refs, it's closer but being able to take DRob's peak 21st century season and the better outside play, it's still the clear favorite in my mind though if you were taking 5 year primes, you'd have to look a lot harder.

[durantbird]

Well, first, while I agree that Garnet/Dirk is the way to go, their value is going to be less playing one of them out of position at the 3. KG played it as a skinny teenager but they are both better as bigs in their prime. Just don't see that team coming close to maximizing its talent.

For the second team, no way I'm starting Amare over Mutombo with those lineups. There aren't enough shots left after Malone, TMac, and Miller get theirs to make Amare's defense worth defending. With Deke at center, it works better.

The third team should be the easy favorite with modern coaching and rules/referees. With 2005 coaching/rules/refs, it's closer but being able to take DRob's peak 21st century season and the better outside play, it's still the clear favorite in my mind though if you were taking 5 year primes, you'd have to look a lot harder.

Thanks, I agree and benched Amar'e

[oaktownwarriors87]

Rajon Rondo and JR Smith over Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars?


Detroit's in shambles and the lack of John Stockton is disturbing.

[penbeast0]

Neither Isiah nor Dumars played in the 21st century so they aren't eligible.

About Stockton, I agree. Stockton would be better than either Nash or Payton with this squad. Both's main advantage over Stockton is their ability to step up their scoring more; with this many great scorers, this becomes less valuable. Meanwhile Stockton's defensive edge over Nash becomes relatively more important and his efficiency, playmaking, and shooting range advantages over Payton even more so.

[Fadeaway_J]

Poor Payton having his ring with the Heat erased

[durantbird]

Poor Payton having his ring with the Heat erased

I actually had his ring in mind when writing this and switched things up accidentally

[Ryoga Hibiki]

All players judged by their peak.

2000s Stars with One Championship:

Jason Kidd / Chauncey Billups
Paul Pierce / Gary Payton
Kevin Garnett / Peja Stojakovic
Dirk Nowtizki / Shawn Marion
Dwight Howard / Alonzo Mourning

2000s Stars without Championships:

John Stockton / Steve Nash
Reggie Miller / Allen Iverson
Tracy McGrady / Vince Carter
Karl Malone / Grant Hill
Dikembe Mutombo / Amar'e Stoudemire

2000s-2010s Stars with Exactly Two Championships:

Jrue Holiday / Rajon Rondo
Ray Allen / J.R. Smith
Kawhi Leonard / Lamar Odom
Kevin Durant / Pau Gasol
David Robinson / Chris Bosh

How would you rank those teams?

Malone, Stockton, Hill, Reggie, even Payton, are clearly post prime in the 00s

[durantbird]

All players judged by their peak.

2000s Stars with One Championship:

Jason Kidd / Chauncey Billups
Paul Pierce / Gary Payton
Kevin Garnett / Peja Stojakovic
Dirk Nowtizki / Shawn Marion
Dwight Howard / Alonzo Mourning

2000s Stars without Championships:

John Stockton / Steve Nash
Reggie Miller / Allen Iverson
Tracy McGrady / Vince Carter
Karl Malone / Grant Hill
Dikembe Mutombo / Amar'e Stoudemire

2000s-2010s Stars with Exactly Two Championships:

Jrue Holiday / Rajon Rondo
Ray Allen / J.R. Smith
Kawhi Leonard / Lamar Odom
Kevin Durant / Pau Gasol
David Robinson / Chris Bosh

How would you rank those teams?

Malone, Stockton, Hill, Reggie, even Payton, are clearly post prime in the 00s

Didn't claim otherwise. The question assumes overall career peak, and I just considered them 00s stars because that was my arbitrary criterion here. Anyhow all were still pretty great in 99-00 at least

[penbeast0]

Ah, I took it as 21st century peaks.