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How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Thu Apr 3, 2025 10:33 pm
by Matt15
How many Jokic years would you take over 1995 D-Rob?

Re: How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Thu Apr 3, 2025 10:57 pm
by kcktiny
These many attempts to try to compare Jokic to the all-time great Cs like Chamberlain, Jabbar, Olajuwon, and now Robinson is just getting ridiculous.

DRob was not only all-NBA 1st team in 1994-95, he was also all-defensive 1st team, in an era of multiple other very good to great defensive Cs like Mutombo, Olajuwon, Mourning, Ewing, Shaq.

Jokic is the Luke Doncic of Cs when it comes to defense. Good defensive rebounder than simply does not defend shots.

Re: How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2025 2:00 am
by migya
I'm high on Robinson and his huge impact. Hard to compare and can't take away from Jokic carrying a fairly bad team, but he wasn't the only one that has. I think Robinson was a little better than any Jokic season, as the current era is easier to score, particularly for talented bigs.

Re: How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:29 am
by Whopper_Sr
22-25 so 4 so far

Re: How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2025 7:07 am
by Jaivl
migya wrote:I'm high on Robinson and his huge impact. Hard to compare and can't take away from Jokic carrying a fairly bad team, but he wasn't the only one that has. I think Robinson was a little better than any Jokic season, as the current era is easier to score, particularly for talented bigs.

The top 3 in scoring in 1995 were young Shaq, Hakeem and Robinson, all way worse scorers than Jokic. He'd be more than fine.

Re: How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2025 8:45 am
by trelos6
95 DRob is arguably peak D Rob.

27.7 pp75 on +5.9 rTS% with elite defense.

Last year Jokic was 28.35 pp75 on +7 rTS%

So Jokic has him beat as a scorer, a playmaker but is that enough to overcome the massive defensive advantage Robinson provides?

Re: How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2025 9:39 am
by migya
Jaivl wrote:
migya wrote:I'm high on Robinson and his huge impact. Hard to compare and can't take away from Jokic carrying a fairly bad team, but he wasn't the only one that has. I think Robinson was a little better than any Jokic season, as the current era is easier to score, particularly for talented bigs.

The top 3 in scoring in 1995 were young Shaq, Hakeem and Robinson, all way worse scorers than Jokic. He'd be more than fine.


And Currant was a way worse scorer than Brunson .

Re: How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Fri Apr 4, 2025 12:18 pm
by tsherkin
RS Robinson was wild, man. With what he could do over the balance of the RS and his D, it's hard to find a lot of guys you want to take over him.

Playoff D-Rob, bit of a different story. He routinely had issues against better defenses, quality matchups, etc. He struggled a lot with actually making shots in the playoffs, and his offensive impact tailed off pretty sharply when he couldn't just abuse cross-screens for mismatches or kill you in transition.

So, potent RS dominance and defense versus superior offense and considerably better playoff performance. Tough call, and a worthwhile discussion.

Re: How many Jokic years over 1995 D-Rob?

Posted: Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:17 pm
by LukaTheGOAT
21-25.

I would argue Jokic probably took a leap to MVP-ish levels in the 2020 Bubble, so you could probably swing that year as well. Came back from the COVID break slimmer, more athletic, and finally showing signs of GOAT-level touch.