RealGM 2025 Greatest Peaks Project Discussion Thread

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RealGM 2025 Greatest Peaks Project Discussion Thread 

Post#1 » by AEnigma » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:42 am

It has been 3 years since the last peaks project, and I am not aware of any other planned projects for the offseason, so it is time to discuss a new iteration.

The primary purpose of this thread is to gauge whether there is sufficient interest for this project to go ahead. Active posters who participated in the 2024 RPoY, the 2023 Top 100, and/or the 2022 Peaks Project have been automatically included in the notification list at the end of this post, but anyone can request to join in the project. If we do not have 15-20 people expressing interest in participating, then the project will be postponed to another year.
EDIT: Looks like we already have 20+ people interested, so this will proceed with the first thread next week (week of July 7). Please express interest in participating in advance of that first thread, preferably by this weekend.

The secondary purpose is to settle on a voting approach, which has tended to vary with every iteration because of differences in desired tallying. I think the 2022 condorcet iteration had a good approach… but it also involved more tallying effort than something like the 2015 peaks project run by trex_8063 or like the 2024 RPoY. I also thought the “nominate then vote” aspect of the 2023 Top 100 made for an interesting way of keeping ballots somewhat focused, which has often been an issue later in these projects. So all that definitely needs to be settled before proceeding.
EDIT: Based on feedback, we will be using the 2022 condorcet method, possibly with a capped ballot pool and nomination process at a later point. I still feel there is merit to eventually incorporating a nomination process akin to how the 2023 Top 100 went (creating a 5-6 player list in each thread after the first from which people submit their ballots), but I will not press the issue if the majority (or the vocal plurality) oppose it.

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If interest and activity is sufficient, maybe we can even push for 60 players this year!

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Re: 2025 Peaks Project Interest Thread 

Post#2 » by Elpolo_14 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 5:30 am

I will greatly appreciate to be participating in this project
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Re: 2025 Peaks Project Interest Thread 

Post#3 » by Verticality » Wed Jul 2, 2025 7:00 am

I am interested.
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Post#4 » by Reardonwd » Wed Jul 2, 2025 7:06 am

I’m interested, concordat works for me.
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Post#5 » by One_and_Done » Wed Jul 2, 2025 7:18 am

I might as well be involved.
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Post#6 » by jiffzzz » Wed Jul 2, 2025 10:41 am

I would like to vote, this seems very interesting to me, (haven’t done this before btw)
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Post#7 » by cupcakesnake » Wed Jul 2, 2025 11:29 am

I'm in!
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Re: 2025 Peaks Project Interest Thread 

Post#8 » by Elpolo_14 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:12 pm

It something that I wanna ask for a moment now. HOW many Sample/Potential peakYear outside of the year we choose as Peak can we Pick?
Aka :
I choose Kobe 2006 - with XYZ reasoning
Then I choose potential year as 08 09 03 01 07 etc. I want to know how many year are we allowed for each player? ( Are there benefits to mention potential year so it count as vote if someone else take different year than I do or nah )
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Post#9 » by Chip » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:14 pm

This sounds cool, would be interested. Also, concordat would be my choice
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Post#10 » by Stan » Wed Jul 2, 2025 1:17 pm

I’m in
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Post#11 » by BusywithBball » Wed Jul 2, 2025 1:48 pm

I would like entry please. Concordat good.
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Re: 2025 Peaks Project Interest Thread 

Post#12 » by homecourtloss » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:03 pm

AEnigma wrote:It has been 3 years since the last peaks project, and I am not aware of any other planned projects for the offseason, so it is time to discuss a new iteration.


Absolutely interested. I don’t know of you have the bandwidth for it, but I’d like to throw your name in the ring as project runner.
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Post#13 » by emn_010 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:12 pm

i am interested
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Post#14 » by Verticality » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:42 pm

Concur. Aenigma handled the 2025 Retro Player of Year Update capably and fair.
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Post#15 » by jalengreen » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:03 pm

I’m interested but I’d prefer to maintain a separation between church and state

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Post#16 » by falcolombardi » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:29 pm

Sure i would love to participate
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Post#17 » by DQuinn1575 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:34 pm

I'll be in. However you want to tally the votes I'll be okay with. It's just for fun so I try not to get to wrapped up on it.
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Post#18 » by IlikeSHAIguys » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:42 pm

Sure haha.
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Re: 2025 Peaks Project Interest Thread 

Post#19 » by AEnigma » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:50 pm

Chip wrote:This sounds cool, would be interested. Also, concordat would be my choice
BusywithBball wrote:I would like entry please. Concordat good.
Reardonwd wrote:I’m interested, concordat works for me.
I will say just for the sake of tallying ease, I would probably push for a process akin to Doc’s 2023 Top 100 if we did the condorcet approach. By the end of the last project, the diversity of ballots made condorcet tallying something of a mess:
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Winner: 75 Barry

There were 8 voters in this round: AEnigma, falcolombardi, Samurai, trelos6, trex_8063, CharityStripe34, Ron Swanson, 70sFan

A total of 40 seasons received at least 1 vote: 02 Pierce, 05 Ginobili, 06 Brand, 07 Ginobili, 11 Ginobili, 14 Love, 19 George, 19 Gobert, 20 Butler, 21 Gobert, 22 Butler, 22 Gobert, 22 Tatum, 67 Barry, 68 Hawkins, 69 Barry, 73 Cowens, 74 Cowens, 74 McAdoo, 75 Barry, 75 McAdoo, 76 Cowens, 76 McAdoo, 82 Moncrief, 83 Moncrief, 84 Moncrief, 85 Moncrief, 86 McHale, 87 McHale, 88 McHale, 88 Stockton, 89 Stockton, 90 Stockton, 92 Drexler, 94 Miller, 94 Mutombo, 95 Miller, 97 Hill, 97 Mutombo, 99 Hill

Top 10 seasons: 75 Barry, 20 Butler, 75 McAdoo, 94 Mutombo, 94 Miller, 22 Butler, 67 Barry, 73 Cowens, 74 Cowens, 86 McHale

H2H record (1 season per player)
75 Barry: 0.683 (28-13)
20 Butler: 0.536 (15-13)
75 McAdoo: 0.467 (14-16)
94 Miller: 0.448 (13-16)
94 Mutombo: 0.444 (12-15)
73 Cowens: 0.429 (12-16)
86 McHale: 0.400 (10-15)

That is a total of 18 players and a pretty extensive list of head-to-head calculations, which is a lot of extra work. Now, adding a nomination tally does mean one extra thing to count each round, but it also keeps the pool of head-to-head calculations more reasonably constrained.

Elpolo_14 wrote:It something that I wanna ask for a moment now. HOW many Sample/Potential peakYear outside of the year we choose as Peak can we Pick?
Aka :
I choose Kobe 2006 - with XYZ reasoning
Then I choose potential year as 08 09 03 01 07 etc. I want to know how many year are we allowed for each player? ( Are there benefits to mention potential year so it count as vote if someone else take different year than I do or nah )

Five years for Kobe feels excessive to me, but I do not recall any hard cap on alternate years last project, and that seemed to work out well. Intended benefit is just to indicate an order of preference, e.g. if you think 2008 is Kobe’s peak and every other possible winning year is functionally tied, then there is no benefit to sharing alternate years, but if you have strong feelings about the order of those years, then listing an order would better ensure that the chosen year is representative of everyone’s preferences.
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Re: 2025 Peaks Project Interest Thread 

Post#20 » by Samurai » Wed Jul 2, 2025 5:30 pm

I am interested in participating again.

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