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Would be an interesting discussion on the greatest carry jobs in nba history. There have been some notables and one of those is David Robinson in 1994 carrying a very low talented and badly built Spurs team.
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1 David Robinson 28 C 80 80 40.5 10.5 20.7 0.507 0.1 0.4 0.345 10.4 20.4 0.51 0.51 8.7 11.6 0.749 3 7.7 10.7 4.8 1.7 3.3 3.2 2.9 29.8 MVP-2,DPOY-2,AS,NBA2,DEF2
2 Dennis Rodman 32 PF 79 51 37.8 2 3.7 0.534 0.1 0.3 0.208 1.9 3.4 0.563 0.543 0.7 1.3 0.52 5.7 11.6 17.3 2.3 0.7 0.4 1.7 2.9 4.7 MVP-11,DPOY-6,6MOY-6,DEF2
3 Dale Ellis 33 SF 77 75 33.6 6.2 12.6 0.494 1.7 4.3 0.395 4.5 8.2 0.546 0.562 1.1 1.4 0.776 0.9 2.4 3.3 1 0.9 0.1 1 1.8 15.2
4 Willie Anderson 27 SG 80 79 31.1 4.9 10.5 0.471 0.3 0.9 0.324 4.7 9.6 0.484 0.484 1.8 2.1 0.848 0.9 2.2 3 4.3 0.9 0.6 1.9 2.3 11.9
5 Vinny Del Negro 27 SG 77 56 25.3 4 8.2 0.487 0.2 0.6 0.349 3.8 7.7 0.497 0.499 1.8 2.2 0.824 0.4 1.7 2.1 4.2 0.8 0 1.3 2.2 10
6 Negele Knight 26 PG 64 18 22.3 3.5 7.4 0.476 0.1 0.3 0.19 3.4 7 0.489 0.48 2.2 2.7 0.81 0.4 1.2 1.6 3.1 0.5 0.2 1.5 1.9 9.3
7 Terry Cummings 32 PF 59 29 19.2 3.1 7.3 0.428 0 0 0 3.1 7.2 0.43 0.428 1.1 1.8 0.589 2.2 2.8 5 0.8 0.5 0.2 1 2.3 7.3
8 J.R. Reid 25 PF 70 11 19.2 3.7 7.6 0.491 0 0 0 3.7 7.5 0.493 0.491 1.5 2.2 0.699 1.3 1.8 3.1 1 0.6 0.4 1.2 2.4 9
9 Lloyd Daniels 26 SG 65 5 15.1 2.2 5.7 0.376 0.7 1.9 0.352 1.5 3.8 0.389 0.435 0.7 1 0.719 0.7 1 1.7 1.4 0.4 0.2 0.9 1.1 5.7
10 Sleepy Floyd 33 PG 53 2 13.9 1.3 3.9 0.335 0.2 0.7 0.222 1.2 3.3 0.358 0.354 1 1.5 0.667 0.2 1.1 1.3 1.9 0.2 0.2 1.2 1.3 3.8
11 Antoine Carr 32 PF 34 0 13.7 2.3 4.7 0.488 0 0 0 2.3 4.7 0.491 0.488 1.2 1.7 0.724 0.4 1.1 1.5 0.4 0.3 0.6 0.4 2.2 5.8
12 Chris Whitney 22 PG 40 4 8.5 0.6 2.1 0.305 0.3 0.8 0.333 0.4 1.3 0.288 0.366 0.3 0.4 0.8 0.1 0.6 0.7 1.3 0.3 0 0.9 1.3 1.8
13 Jack Haley 30 PF 28 0 3.4 0.8 1.7 0.438 0 0 0.8 1.7 0.438 0.438 0.6 0.8 0.81 0.2 0.6 0.9 0 0 0 0.4 0.6 2.1
14 Chuck Nevitt 34 C 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 6 0.5 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 3
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That's four double digit scorers, one at exactly 10pts, one at 11.9pts and 2nd leading socrer at 15.2pts, 33yr old aging Dale Ellis!
Robinson didn't play well in the playoffs by his standards but with what he had to work with, can't envision anyone doing better.
Explain other carry jobs and how they compare to this one by Robinson.
Context:
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1 David Robinson 28 C 80 80 40.5 10.5 20.7 0.507 0.1 0.4 0.345 10.4 20.4 0.51 0.51 8.7 11.6 0.749 3 7.7 10.7 4.8 1.7 3.3 3.2 2.9 29.8 MVP-2,DPOY-2,AS,NBA2,DEF2
2 Dennis Rodman 32 PF 79 51 37.8 2 3.7 0.534 0.1 0.3 0.208 1.9 3.4 0.563 0.543 0.7 1.3 0.52 5.7 11.6 17.3 2.3 0.7 0.4 1.7 2.9 4.7 MVP-11,DPOY-6,6MOY-6,DEF2
3 Dale Ellis 33 SF 77 75 33.6 6.2 12.6 0.494 1.7 4.3 0.395 4.5 8.2 0.546 0.562 1.1 1.4 0.776 0.9 2.4 3.3 1 0.9 0.1 1 1.8 15.2
4 Willie Anderson 27 SG 80 79 31.1 4.9 10.5 0.471 0.3 0.9 0.324 4.7 9.6 0.484 0.484 1.8 2.1 0.848 0.9 2.2 3 4.3 0.9 0.6 1.9 2.3 11.9
5 Vinny Del Negro 27 SG 77 56 25.3 4 8.2 0.487 0.2 0.6 0.349 3.8 7.7 0.497 0.499 1.8 2.2 0.824 0.4 1.7 2.1 4.2 0.8 0 1.3 2.2 10
6 Negele Knight 26 PG 64 18 22.3 3.5 7.4 0.476 0.1 0.3 0.19 3.4 7 0.489 0.48 2.2 2.7 0.81 0.4 1.2 1.6 3.1 0.5 0.2 1.5 1.9 9.3
7 Terry Cummings 32 PF 59 29 19.2 3.1 7.3 0.428 0 0 0 3.1 7.2 0.43 0.428 1.1 1.8 0.589 2.2 2.8 5 0.8 0.5 0.2 1 2.3 7.3
8 J.R. Reid 25 PF 70 11 19.2 3.7 7.6 0.491 0 0 0 3.7 7.5 0.493 0.491 1.5 2.2 0.699 1.3 1.8 3.1 1 0.6 0.4 1.2 2.4 9
9 Lloyd Daniels 26 SG 65 5 15.1 2.2 5.7 0.376 0.7 1.9 0.352 1.5 3.8 0.389 0.435 0.7 1 0.719 0.7 1 1.7 1.4 0.4 0.2 0.9 1.1 5.7
10 Sleepy Floyd 33 PG 53 2 13.9 1.3 3.9 0.335 0.2 0.7 0.222 1.2 3.3 0.358 0.354 1 1.5 0.667 0.2 1.1 1.3 1.9 0.2 0.2 1.2 1.3 3.8
11 Antoine Carr 32 PF 34 0 13.7 2.3 4.7 0.488 0 0 0 2.3 4.7 0.491 0.488 1.2 1.7 0.724 0.4 1.1 1.5 0.4 0.3 0.6 0.4 2.2 5.8
12 Chris Whitney 22 PG 40 4 8.5 0.6 2.1 0.305 0.3 0.8 0.333 0.4 1.3 0.288 0.366 0.3 0.4 0.8 0.1 0.6 0.7 1.3 0.3 0 0.9 1.3 1.8
13 Jack Haley 30 PF 28 0 3.4 0.8 1.7 0.438 0 0 0.8 1.7 0.438 0.438 0.6 0.8 0.81 0.2 0.6 0.9 0 0 0 0.4 0.6 2.1
14 Chuck Nevitt 34 C 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 6 0.5 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 3
*From BR.
That's four double digit scorers, one at exactly 10pts, one at 11.9pts and 2nd leading socrer at 15.2pts, 33yr old aging Dale Ellis!
Robinson didn't play well in the playoffs by his standards but with what he had to work with, can't envision anyone doing better.
Explain other carry jobs and how they compare to this one by Robinson.
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Robinson's passing ability is underrated. Really good for a big man, IMO, crisp and intuitive. Stats don't always tell the whole story, but he did lead the Spurs in assists this season. Lead the league in points. And was arguably the best defender in the game.
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D.Rob had some huge carry jobs, but nothing he did will beat Duncan in 02 or 03.
Warspite wrote:Billups was a horrible scorer who could only score with an open corner 3 or a FT.
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Robinson's passing ability is underrated. Really good for a big man, IMO, crisp and intuitive. Stats don't always tell the whole story
From 1989-90 to 1995-96, DRob threw for the most assists (1718) by any C in the league, and the 6th most assists by any frontcourt player over those 7 seasons.
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kcktiny wrote:Robinson's passing ability is underrated. Really good for a big man, IMO, crisp and intuitive. Stats don't always tell the whole story
From 1989-90 to 1995-96, DRob threw for the most assists (1718) by any C in the league, and the 6th most assists by any frontcourt player over those 7 seasons.
Damn he lead the league even while averaging only 3.1 APG. That put into perspective how Jokic is an outlier among Bigmen.
Also who were the 5 front-court player above D.rob in this stretch of time?
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From 1989-90 to 1995-96:
Scottie Pippen (3298 assists), Detlef Schrempf (2214), Charles Barkley (2118), Karl Malone (2003), Chris Mullin (1734), DRob (1718), Olajuwon (1612), Chuck Person (1584), Larry Johnson (1553), Derrick McKey (1538).
DRob threw for 4.8 ast/g in 1993-94. At that time that was the most ast/g thrown for by a C since Jeff Ruland threw for 5.3 ast/g in 1985-86.
Scottie Pippen (3298 assists), Detlef Schrempf (2214), Charles Barkley (2118), Karl Malone (2003), Chris Mullin (1734), DRob (1718), Olajuwon (1612), Chuck Person (1584), Larry Johnson (1553), Derrick McKey (1538).
DRob threw for 4.8 ast/g in 1993-94. At that time that was the most ast/g thrown for by a C since Jeff Ruland threw for 5.3 ast/g in 1985-86.
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Jordan in 1997-98. He turned 35 that year. Rodman turned 37. Pippen missed 35 games during the regular season. Everyone knew it was the last dance. Jordan led the Bulls to 62 wins (tied with Utah for best record). He carried Chicago to the title despite Utah having home court advantage and Pippen being all but crippled in game 6. He scored 45 of the Bulls 87 points (51.7%) including the layup, steal, jumper finish to win the game.
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Hair Jordan wrote:Jordan in 1997-98. He turned 35 that year. Rodman turned 37. Pippen missed 35 games during the regular season. Everyone knew it was the last dance. Jordan led the Bulls to 62 wins (tied with Utah for best record). He carried Chicago to the title despite Utah having home court advantage and Pippen being all but crippled in game 6. He scored 45 of the Bulls 87 points (51.7%) including the layup, steal, jumper finish to win the game.
Jordan had a number of seasons that are among the greatest carrys ever, particularly pre Phil Jackson.
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Bill Walton in 77-78. Before he was injured, the team was 50-10. After he was injured they finished 8-14. Before he was injured, the differential was +9.8ppg. After, they were -4. Granted, Portland had a lot of other injuries that impacted them at the end of the season, but it's fair to say that Walton was worth at least +10ppg when healthy that season.
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Olajuwon in 94 had a big carry job as well but think Robinson's was even more. With just one pretty good perimeter player he could've performed easier and maybe won it that year.
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migya wrote:Olajuwon in 94 had a big carry job as well but think Robinson's was even more. With just one pretty good perimeter player he could've performed easier and maybe won it that year.
You'd need way more than "one pretty good perimeter player" for the Spurs to beat the Jazz, let alone win it all. The Jazz crushed SAS.
Also, what makes 1994 a bigger carry job than 1995 or 1996?
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70sFan wrote:migya wrote:Olajuwon in 94 had a big carry job as well but think Robinson's was even more. With just one pretty good perimeter player he could've performed easier and maybe won it that year.
You'd need way more than "one pretty good perimeter player" for the Spurs to beat the Jazz, let alone win it all. The Jazz crushed SAS.
Also, what makes 1994 a bigger carry job than 1995 or 1996?
They won game 4 by five points, could've gone to Spurs. Game 5 in SA could've been a Spurs win.
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migya wrote:70sFan wrote:migya wrote:Olajuwon in 94 had a big carry job as well but think Robinson's was even more. With just one pretty good perimeter player he could've performed easier and maybe won it that year.
You'd need way more than "one pretty good perimeter player" for the Spurs to beat the Jazz, let alone win it all. The Jazz crushed SAS.
Also, what makes 1994 a bigger carry job than 1995 or 1996?
They won game 4 by five points, could've gone to Spurs. Game 5 in SA could've been a Spurs win.
They also got destroyed in the previous 2 games. Come on, this series wasn't close at all.
Why 1994 over 1995?
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70sFan wrote:migya wrote:70sFan wrote:You'd need way more than "one pretty good perimeter player" for the Spurs to beat the Jazz, let alone win it all. The Jazz crushed SAS.
Also, what makes 1994 a bigger carry job than 1995 or 1996?
They won game 4 by five points, could've gone to Spurs. Game 5 in SA could've been a Spurs win.
They also got destroyed in the previous 2 games. Come on, this series wasn't close at all.
Why 1994 over 1995?
It doesn't matter any blowouts, anything can happen any game, particularly at home in elimination game.
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migya wrote:70sFan wrote:migya wrote:
They won game 4 by five points, could've gone to Spurs. Game 5 in SA could've been a Spurs win.
They also got destroyed in the previous 2 games. Come on, this series wasn't close at all.
Why 1994 over 1995?
It doesn't matter any blowouts, anything can happen any game, particularly at home in elimination game.
Does it matter that Robinson played poorly in these losses though?
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70sFan wrote:migya wrote:70sFan wrote:They also got destroyed in the previous 2 games. Come on, this series wasn't close at all.
Why 1994 over 1995?
It doesn't matter any blowouts, anything can happen any game, particularly at home in elimination game.
Does it matter that Robinson played poorly in these losses though?
He performed badly, as have some other stars in series eg. Curry 2016 finals, Shaq against Jazz, greater extent Lebron 2011 finals.
With progressing to next round, could've been different and his level been higher.
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migya wrote:70sFan wrote:migya wrote:
It doesn't matter any blowouts, anything can happen any game, particularly at home in elimination game.
Does it matter that Robinson played poorly in these losses though?
He performed badly, as have some other stars in series eg. Curry 2016 finals, Shaq against Jazz, greater extent Lebron 2011 finals.
With progressing to next round, could've been different and his level been higher.
Maybe, although I wouldn't give him much hope against peak Mutombo who almost led his team to the upset. We have seen the next year that Robinson struggled individually a lot against weaker version of the Nuggets.
Then he'd face the Rockets, which is again a repeat from 1995 and we all know how it went.
As far as "everybody had bad series" - of course it's true, but Robinson had bad series every time he faced the Jazz and he faced them 3, separate times.
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An all-time regular-season carr job certainly though there's not much to suggest it is the singularly biggest one. And the claim weakens with the extent of their defeat to Utah
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List and explain other alltime carry jobs