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If you were building a team around a player in today's league, which guards would be the top 4 choices to build around?

Assume you get the player for their whole career.

NB: this is not about them all playing on the same team.

My top 5 would be Jordan, Magic, West, Oscar, Curry, in some order with heavier weighting of availability moving Oscar up and lower moving Curry and West ahead of him. SGA and Luka are still too early in their careers to judge their durability and longevity, Kobe, Paul, and maybe Stockton would probably be my honorable mentions.

I believe that greatness transcends era for the most part and that if Magic, West, and Oscar came up today they would still be the best in the league.

1.Jordan
2. Magic
3. Curry
4. Kobe

So this is about -today- league, straight time machine argument and notghing about full career or greatness/legacy?

Jordan/curry/magic/kobe + then followed shai/paul/luka/nash right after albeit i could move kobe and magic down for two of the latter group too

(In fact i am tempted to go shai>kobe but giving kobe the advantage still until we have better sample for shai amd seeing how he stacks up)

I really wish we could see an alternate universe where CP3 comes into the league 10 years later than he did

To me this is a somewhat misleading thread title. Mt. Rushmore of guards is not the same as 'who would you take today in a vague hypothetical scenario'. Mt. Rushmore for any sport is usually thought of as just career greatness within that sport. Changing it to 'who would you choose today' to me is an attempt at changing that meaning and is disingenuous.

Kobe = being biased after all he stole all MJ's moves
Jordan
Magic It would be Luka here, but Magic height wins it
Luka
Wade
Curry
Nash
SGA
Stockton not on list but prefer him over CP3
CP3

SlimShady83 wrote:Kobe = being biased after all he stole all MJ's moves
Jordan
Magic It would be Luka here, but Magic height wins it
Luka
Wade
Curry
Nash
SGA
Stockton not on list but prefer him over CP3
CP3

There is barely an area in basketball stockton was better than paul at but a lot of the opposite

falcolombardi wrote:There is barely an area in basketball stockton was better than paul at but a lot of the opposite

So thread's not about that, it's about who I or you for example would prefer and that's just your opinion above many others, there's a thread on here on realgm if you wish to discuss that topic.viewtopic.php?t=2470826

Jordan, Stockton, Magic, CP3

Cavsfansince84 wrote:To me this is a somewhat misleading thread title. Mt. Rushmore of guards is not the same as 'who would you take today in a vague hypothetical scenario'. Mt. Rushmore for any sport is usually thought of as just career greatness within that sport. Changing it to 'who would you choose today' to me is an attempt at changing that meaning and is disingenuous.

+1000

This is just the OP once against trying to shove his lack of respect for players not in the modern era down everyone else's throat. Just because Luka is thriving today doesn't mean he should be considered a greater player at this point than Oscar or West, but that's what the OP is trying to trick people into saying. Transparent as usual.

But if we ignore the nonsense and just answer the actual question, I mean its probably SGA as he just led a team of kids to an absolutely dominant season. He's the most proven answer to the question. Then you probably have to go with Steph.

Texas Chuck wrote:
+1000

This is just the OP once against trying to shove his lack of respect for players not in the modern era down everyone else's throat. Just because Luka is thriving today doesn't mean he should be considered a greater player at this point than Oscar or West, but that's what the OP is trying to trick people into saying. Transparent as usual.

I agree. Were it just a random post from whoever you could say its something else but with O&D we all know that it's his obsession on here to do this sort of thing.

Cavsfansince84 wrote:To me this is a somewhat misleading thread title. Mt. Rushmore of guards is not the same as 'who would you take today in a vague hypothetical scenario'. Mt. Rushmore for any sport is usually thought of as just career greatness within that sport. Changing it to 'who would you choose today' to me is an attempt at changing that meaning and is disingenuous.

Agreed it's a misleading title... unless your answer to the two questions happens to be the same four players!

DraymondGold wrote:

Cavsfansince84 wrote:To me this is a somewhat misleading thread title. Mt. Rushmore of guards is not the same as 'who would you take today in a vague hypothetical scenario'. Mt. Rushmore for any sport is usually thought of as just career greatness within that sport. Changing it to 'who would you choose today' to me is an attempt at changing that meaning and is disingenuous.

Agreed it's a misleading title... unless your answer to the two questions happens to be the same four players!

With my criteria it is more or less the same.

One_and_Done wrote:With my criteria it is more or less the same.

You know what you are doing and are tacitly admitting it with this reply.

Cavsfansince84 wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:With my criteria it is more or less the same.

You know what you are doing and are tacitly admitting it with this reply.

It's unclear to me why I can't use my own criteria as the parameters of a thread, since they are just as valid as anyone elses. In another thread I just started about the Lakers I said 'use whatever criteria you like'.

My Rushmore generally indicates the top 4, but people have different criteria for determining that. Alot of people disagree with the actual Presidents on the actual Mt Rushmore, or that there should even be a Mt Rushmore.

One_and_Done wrote:It's unclear to me why I can't use my own criteria as the parameters of a thread, since they are just as valid as anyone elses. In another thread I just started about the Lakers I said 'use whatever criteria you like'.

It's unclear to me why you are saying you can't do it when you already did. I have no power to lock or delete this thread nor necessarily would I if I could. Changing the most popular meaning of a word to suit your own criteria and view of the term is a somewhat disingenuous use of that term though imo and I don't think I'm the only one who would say this. Just say '4 best guards to build around in today's nba' if that's what you want this thread to be. You chose the term Mt Rushmore because you want those two things to be the same in the minds of people who read this thread.

Cavsfansince84 wrote:To me this is a somewhat misleading thread title. Mt. Rushmore of guards is not the same as 'who would you take today in a vague hypothetical scenario'. Mt. Rushmore for any sport is usually thought of as just career greatness within that sport. Changing it to 'who would you choose today' to me is an attempt at changing that meaning and is disingenuous.

I thought I was having deju vu, but no, he's done this same thread with misleading title before:

viewtopic.php?t=2395372

Would be funny if the actual Mt Rushmore worked like this. Which 4 historic presidents would be best in 2025