Do you consider Calderon a top 10 point guard?

[jeff1624]

Considering scoring is barons best ability and ONLY score 3.6 more per game if they were to shoot the same amount is pretty dissapointing IMO... Since his passing and rebounding aren't up to par with kidds that argument only helps mines a lot more. This proves that while Kidd is having a down year he is still the better player...

Nash and Paul are better at this point but Davis is not IMHO...

[Hendrix]

Considering scoring is barons best ability and ONLY score 3.6 more per game if they were to shoot the same amount is pretty dissapointing IMO... Since his passing and rebounding aren't up to par with kidds that argument only helps mines a lot more. This proves that while Kidd is having a down year he is still the better player...

Nash and Paul are better at this point but Davis is not IMHO...

They don't shoot the same amount of fga..... Baron scores 11 points more a game on far better %'s then Kidd can score on 11ppg.

[jeff1624]

hence the ''If they were to'' part...

[Kosta]

Considering scoring is barons best ability and ONLY score 3.6 more per game if they were to shoot the same amount is pretty dissapointing IMO... Since his passing and rebounding aren't up to par with kidds that argument only helps mines a lot more. This proves that while Kidd is having a down year he is still the better player...

Nash and Paul are better at this point but Davis is not IMHO...

Baron averages near 9 assists a game, he has the court vision, he makes plays for others. I don't think you understand how much a better a scorer Baron is, we're talking several levels of superiority here. Kidd's play making and rebounding don't make up for his lack of scoring and poor shooting.

Yesterday's game was a perfect example, Kidd couldn't buy a bucket, Baron got scores late in the game. Premier players are suppose to score late in the 4th, they're suppose to make big shots.

[Hendrix]

hence the ''If they were to'' part...

That's like saying, "If Marbury, and Kobe took the same amount of fga/game Kobe would only score 3.6 more ppg". You're making it seem like it's a small difference, when in fact the difference between Kidd's, and Baron's scoring ability is massive.

[jeff1624]

Sorry just dont see it, any player who constantly takes 20+ shots is bound to get to 20 points.

Baron davis is a great player but other than scoring (which he doesnt do efficiently I might add) he has nothing on kidd..

[Kosta]

Sorry just dont see it, any player who constantly takes 20+ shots is bound to get to 20 points.

Baron davis is a great player but other than scoring (which he doesnt do efficiently I might add) he has nothing on kidd..

Oh, but he does. Baron is able to take over a game with his scoring, he's able to make plays at the end of games, he is clutch that way. He's a late game player and wins games for his team that way. Why do you think the Nets suck so much at closing out games? Simple, make Jason Kidd a scorer, make him beat you before Carter/Jefferson. But Kidd still gives up the ball most of the time because he doesn't want to take the shot, which leaves Vince in some ISO on the perimeter with 7 seconds left on the shot clock. When he does shoot the ball, more likely than not he'll miss it.

[BrooklynBulls]

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They don't shoot the same amount of fga..... Baron scores 11 points more a game on far better %'s then Kidd can score on 11ppg.

I think he fails to understand that efficiency takes a HUGE hit when the player has hit the highest plateau of his scoring versatility. If scoring could be extrapolated, with efficiency staying the same, explain to me why Steve
Nash and Dirk Nowitzki aren't scoring 40 points a game, if they just shot...twice as much a game, like jeff suggests Kidd could do.

[stopnpop]

Nash
Paul
Kidd
Billups
Arenas
A.I.
B.Diddy
Parker
Deron
Ford
11- Calderon
A.Miller
Bibby
Mo.Williams
Harris
Felton
Tinsley

If you watch a lot of basketball, as I do, and understand that stats aren't everything; this is the list in order. Players are presumed to be healthy for the purposes of this list. The top 10 can completely dominate a game when they are needed. Calderon and Miller are next, but due to calderon's superior ast/to (this season is the best in history at this point) and shooting (50 fg, 43 3p, 91ft) make him not good enough for the top 10, although he is really close to the 8-10 range, but markedly better than the 12-15 PGs. Also, arguments for Mo. Will, and Fisher...are u serious..do u watch them play, do u understand the game of basketball...Mo is a rich mans Rafer or who? Mike James...Fisher is solid, but he wouldnt start on most teams

[yunggunz]

Sorry just dont see it, any player who constantly takes 20+ shots is bound to get to 20 points.

Baron davis is a great player but other than scoring (which he doesnt do efficiently I might add) he has nothing on kidd..

a player who scores 20 points per game is a player that is talented enough to take the shots needed to score.

If Kidd was taking 20 shots per game his fg% would go down a great deal lower than it already is.

[stopnpop]

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a player who scores 20 points per game is a player that is talented enough to take the shots needed to score.

If Kidd was taking 20 shots per game his fg% would go down a great deal lower than it already is.

B.Diddy runs the city

[CB4_Toronto_Raptors]

Having players like Nash and Paul above Jose is an insult

[Jemini80]

Tony Parker is a shoot first PG that just happens to have one of the 10 greatest players of all time on his team. The true side of Parker will come out when Duncan retires in 4 years.

Jose calderon is great, I knew it for awhile, I am REALLY disappointed he is getting major cred and major minutes now, because i wanted him on the Knicks for the MLE next summer.

[TheRaptor!]

Nash
Paul
Kidd
Billups
Arenas
A.I.
B.Diddy
Parker
Deron
Ford
11- Calderon
A.Miller
Bibby
Mo.Williams
Harris
Felton
Tinsley

If you watch a lot of basketball, as I do, and understand that stats aren't everything; this is the list in order. Players are presumed to be healthy for the purposes of this list. The top 10 can completely dominate a game when they are needed. Calderon and Miller are next, but due to calderon's superior ast/to (this season is the best in history at this point) and shooting (50 fg, 43 3p, 91ft) make him not good enough for the top 10, although he is really close to the 8-10 range, but markedly better than the 12-15 PGs. Also, arguments for Mo. Will, and Fisher...are u serious..do u watch them play, do u understand the game of basketball...Mo is a rich mans Rafer or who? Mike James...Fisher is solid, but he wouldnt start on most teams

Calderon is a top 10 PG

Fyi, i do watch alot of ball games, I probably watch more then you do, because watching 3-4 games at the same time is not uncommon for me.

[NO-KG-AI]

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So you're saying he's overrated now? So let me guess, you think he's behind guys like Miller, Bibby and Raymond Felton, right? Give me a break, he's top 10, whether you want to give the props or not.

Oh hey, nice run btw, what is that 14 out of 16 for the Hornets? Who were the two teams you lost to again? Just to refresh my memory, silly me.

Actually, I just wanted to take a shot at Brandon Roy and Baron homers, and give some props to Jose. Lets not get personal though, I don't think you wanna claim the raptors are better.

[cosinostra]

Today's Bucks vs. Raps game pretty much sums up the argument that Calderon > Mo Williams.

Mo Williams: 2 Assists, 3 TO's
Calderon: 12 Assists, 1 TO

He may not be as flashy as Mo Williams but the guy has been playing fundamentally sound bball all season. For those that think it's a small sample size, consider that he's been consistently good all season. I was praying he would somehow land on the Rockets early this year but there's no way that's happening now.

[cosinostra]

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Actually, I just wanted to take a shot at Brandon Roy and Baron homers, and give some props to Jose. Lets not get personal though, I don't think you wanna claim the raptors are better.

I don't know how you can take a shot at Baron Davis. Without him in the lineup, the Warriors are a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. They're that lost when he's not in. Nellie used to try to rest him (limit his minutes) but that experiment ended real fast. Jax is their spiritual leader but Baron is their engine.

[cb4_89]

I don't see how anyone can say mo williams is on calderons level.

[Nothingface]

mo williams is on calderons level.

I don't see how anyone can say mo williams is on calderons level.

[jeff1624]

Calderon is top 10 (Iverson plays SG seeing as anthony carter currently starts at PG for denver)...

Paul
Nash
Arenas
Kidd
Davis
Billups
Deron
Parker
Calderon
Ford