Who's the best all-rounded defender at SF?

Darren · Post #1 » by **Darren** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:02 pm

1. Gerald Wallace
2. Josh Smith
3. Andrei Kirilenko
4. Bruce Bowen
5. Shane Battier
6. Ron Artest
7. Tysuan Prince
8. Rudy Gay
9. Josh Howard
10. Shawn Marion
11. Caron Butler
12. Lebron James
13. Paul Pierce
14. Tracy McGrady
15. Camelo Anthony

Post #2 » by **penbeast0** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:08 pm

Josh Smith is way too high on that list for your title (all-around at SF), he's not that good out in space, better inside and on help; Marion is a better space defender and general defender at the 3 though Smith may have passed him as a defender at the PF slot where Marion can be posted.

Also, Rudy Gay is too high as well, I'd move LeBron ahead of him at this point in their careers . . . . and Anthony doesn't belong even at number 15.

Ballings7 · Post #3 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:11 pm

Ron Artest.

Proven, high-level man-defense against multiple positions (naturally varies in what players and amount of time, for bigs and PGs). Good team defender. Ranks high in steals (doesn't gamble too much), gets an above-average amount of blocks, very decent rebounder. Blocks jumpshots around semi-regularily. Has a unique combination of strength, size, and lateral quickness.

Having better, more consistent interior defense would only make things easier. As it does for anybody.

Only area where's probably not as good as others is chasing around quick guys like Hamilton and Ray Allen. Though, with his lost weight compared to the past two seasons (down from around 260 to mid 240s), he may be able to do that better. Against Detroit and Boston he usually guards Pierce and Prince a good deal of the time, anyway.

Andrei Kirilenko shouldn't be in the top 5 IMO. Because his man-defense isn't quite a strength, compared to off-the-ball and team-wise.

Post #4 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:44 pm

How the hell is Carmelo Anthony on the list while Luol Deng isn't?

NDaATL · Post #5 » by **NDaATL** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:49 pm

Smith plays PF about 85% of the time, so I wouldn't even include him for this discussion.

2poor · Post #6 » by **2poor** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:55 pm

Kirilenko, really?

His help defense is alright, but his man defense blows and he routinely gets abused in the post.

He should be on the list, but not at #3. We are talking about "best all-around," right?

Bobbcats · Post #7 » by **Bobbcats** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:04 pm

2poor wrote:Kirilenko, really?

His help defense is alright, but his man defense blows and he routinely gets abused in the post.

He should be on the list, but not at #3. We are talking about "best all-around," right?

He's a great defender he just looks bad right now because he can't concentrate on covering his guy when he is the only help defender on a team where the rest don't believe in team defense.

Smills91 · Post #8 » by **Smills91** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:05 pm

Best ALL AROUND defender? Easily Ron Artest.

hermes · Post #9 » by **hermes** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:07 pm

ronny easily

WadeKnicks2010 · Post #10 » by **WadeKnicks2010** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:13 pm

Carmelo Anthony should not be on the list.. You need to watch him play.. He doesn't even try sometimes, he just watches his man go by. He makes no attempt when he should rotate to a guy on pick and roll. Its like his legs freeze.

I think its very hard... If i can pick a slew of players, ill go with AK47, Prince, and Artest..

Silk Wilkes · Post #11 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:18 pm

Ron Artest sixth? Wow.

yunggunz · Post #12 » by **yunggunz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:32 pm

Artest at 1, bowen at 2.

yunggunz · Post #13 » by **yunggunz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:33 pm

Bobbcats wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He's a great defender he just looks bad right now because he can't concentrate on covering his guy when he is the only help defender on a team where the rest don't believe in team defense.

The excuse of his career. He has always been a piss poor man-defender, and has relied on his lanky arms to block his guys from behind when they blow past him. he simply doesnt have the lateral quickness to keep up with most 3's.

2poor · Post #14 » by **2poor** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:34 pm

yunggunz wrote:The excuse of his career. He has always been a piss poor man-defender, and has relied on his lanky arms to block his guys from behind when they blow past him. he simply doesnt have the lateral quickness to keep up with most 3's.

Nor the strength to compete with them in the post.

Which is why I :lol:

at him being #3 in a "best all-around SF defender" list.

zhenyasj · Post #15 » by **zhenyasj** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:59 pm

yunggunz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The excuse of his career. He has always been a piss poor man-defender, and has relied on his lanky arms to block his guys from behind when they blow past him. he simply doesnt have the lateral quickness to keep up with most 3's.

Artest and SJax 1 and 2.

MagicFan3 · Post #16 » by **MagicFan3** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:35 am

Artest and Bowen should be at the top... and why is Hedo Turkoglu not on that list? His defense on LeBron pretty much single-handedly won us a game earlier this year.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #17 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:19 am

Granger should be on this list. He is pretty quick laterally and has good instincts from what I've seen. Not flashy but one of the better man defenders @ SF

EvadedHavoc · Post #18 » by **EvadedHavoc** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:38 am

Wheres Lol Deng?

The_Believer · Post #19 » by **The_Believer** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:21 am

Sjax anyone???

tha_rock220 · Post #20 » by **tha_rock220** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:33 am

Ron Artest absolutely abuses guys. The guys hands are like rocks, and if he gets them on the ball while he's covering someone they lose it. Most guys who get steals get them by gambling on passes. Ron Artest just rips the ball from cats. If he had a brain he'd be a top 5 player in basketball.