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Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:38 am**

In offense comparison only.. who is the better player?

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:40 am**

larry hughes

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:41 am**

Wallace by far. Wallace can actually catch the ball and finish dunks.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:55 am**

LeRydee23 wrote:larry hughes

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:02 am**

Patterns wrote:Wallace by far. Wallace can actually catch the ball and finish dunks.

Kwame might have the worst hands in the NBA.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:20 am**

Milkdud wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kwame might have the worst hands in the NBA.

try professional sports.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:35 am**

Sharyll Swoops.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:15 am**

Patterns wrote:Wallace by far. Wallace can actually catch the ball and finish dunks.

Im sure if Ben could catch a few passes Kobe could make him an All Star again

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:13 am**

Wallace. Better hands and finshing, and an underrated passer.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:37 am**

Ballings7 wrote:Wallace. Better hands and finshing, and an underrated passer.

VERY underrated passer.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:58 am**

^ Thinking about that some more, I agree.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:13 pm**

Patterns wrote:Wallace by far. Wallace can actually catch the ball and finish dunks.

I don't know which Wallace you've been watching. he can't finish anymore. He airballs layups. He can't dunk. He gets blocked by guards underneath the hoop. He is bad. BAD. He also thinks he's good, and will regularly bust out a series of post movies that result in a shot missing the rim, or a turnover. The second he touches the ball on offense it kills all ball movement. He regularly gets the ball, open, 5 feet from the basket, and will kick it back out. We can't even use him to set screens because all it ends up doing is helping the other team double our guards since Wallace doesn't need to be guarded (we have him set screens anyway, maybe we're testing to see if our guards can handle being double teamed 30 feet from the hoop every possession of every game, this surely can't be related to us having the worst offense in the league).

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=749755

Bad as in the worst offensively ever for a center getting those minutes.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/...ayout=full
(link broken, sorry)

that's for center averaging at least 30 mpg, by season.

Wallace is on pace to crush the record. 33.5% is the worst, set in 1952! Most of the worst seasons were set in the 50s. Of the 30 worst seasons (.400 or worse) the most recent were '02, '87, '75, '68, '61. Only 2 guys in the bottom 30 had a ft% under .625 (.583, .589). Only 6 guys scored under 10 ppg, the lowest at 7.7 (Mark Eaton, he also averaged over 4 blocks a game///Wallace is at 6.5 points PER 48 MINUTES)

Tyrone Hill has the worst percent in the last 30 years at 39%.

The worst ts% ever for a center averaging 25 mpg is .386, Big Ben is at a monstrous .362.

Ben is putting up, without out a doubt, the worst offensive season for a center in the history of the NBA.

JeremyB0001 wrote:Here's my favorite search:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... ayout=full

It includes players who played at least 1640 minutes (20 per game for 82 games), scored fewer than 7 points per 40 minutes (Wallace is currently at 5.4) with a TS % below 40% (Wallace is currently at 36.2%). The search produces only one result: Sidney Lowe's 89-90 season, which doesn't look quite as bad as Wallace's to me (offensively).

It's amazing to me that people can look at information that strongly suggests Wallace is on pace to have the worst offensive season ever of any player in the NBA and suggest that would be alright if he just played better in other ways or that we should first be looking at other players as the problem.

Every Bulls fan should be lying awake at night pondering how much better we'd be if the team just didn't suit up Wallace on a nightly basis.

Kwame has a ts% of .511 (wallace .369), Kwame averages 5.3 ppg in 20 mpg, Wallace averages 4.6 ppg in nearly 33 minutes a night.

Posted: **Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:41 pm**

ice9 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kwame has a ts% of .511 (wallace .369), Kwame averages 5.3 ppg in 20 mpg, Wallace averages 4.6 ppg in nearly 33 minutes a night.

I would agree that Kwame does produce more on offense than Ben however I also think the Laker guards create more opportunities for Kwame than Gordon, Duhon and Hinrich do for Ben.

Kobe, Fisher and Farmar set Kwame up for WIDE OPEN layups and dunks. He SHOULD be avg'g twice that 5.3 with the looks he gets..........

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:19 am**

ben is better on offense
he can catch

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