Rank These Small (6'3" & Under) SG

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Rank These Small (6'3" & Under) SG 

Post#1 » by girlygirl » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:41 pm

Leandro Barbosa
Monta Ellis
Daniel Gibson
Ben Gordon


In any or all of these categories yo choose...

1. Best overall player right now
2. Best overall player 3 years from now
3. Best pure scorer
4. Most explosive
5. Best playmaker/ballhandler
6. Best defender

Which one would you most like on your team (and why?)

Which one (if any) do you think could eventually become an above average full-time PG, if he had to do so? Why??


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Post#2 » by jeff1624 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:38 pm

girlygirl wrote:Leandro Barbosa
Monta Ellis
Daniel Gibson
Ben Gordon


In any or all of these categories yo choose...

1. Best overall player right now? Barbosa
2. Best overall player 3 years from now? Ellis
3. Best pure scorer Gordon
4. Most explosive Ellis
5. Best playmaker/ballhandler Ellis
6. Best defender Not Sure

Which one would you most like on your team (and why?)

Barbosa because he brings instant offense who doesnts need to be the main focus to score (like gordon).

Which one (if any) do you think could eventually become an above average full-time PG, if he had to do so? Why?? None of those guys will ever be a true PG.


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Post#3 » by TMACFORMVP » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:57 pm

In any or all of these categories yo choose...

1. Best overall player right now-Monta Ellis
2. Best overall player 3 years from now-Monta Ellis
3. Best pure scorer-Ben Gordon
4. Most explosive-Monta Ellis
5. Best playmaker/ballhandler-Monta Ellis
6. Best defender-Monta Ellis

Maybe I'm a bit biased since I live in the Bay and watch literally every Warriors game, but Monta's efficiency and ability to get to the rim at will is up there with any player in the NBA. IIRC he was second in the league last year in fast-break points behind LeBron. He's also maturing and growing into a better play-maker, his mid-range jumper especially recently is MONEY. I think it's real close though and could go either way especially with Barbosa who also has a great three point shot with his tremendous ability to get into the lane.

Which one would you most like on your team (and why?)

Though I feel Monta is the superior player, on the Rockets, I'd prefer a more half-court player that's a third option that can stretch the floor. So most likely I'd pick Gordon or Barbosa.

Which one (if any) do you think could eventually become an above average full-time PG, if he had to do so? Why??

Hard to tell, but if I had to pick, I'd say Monta because I see him a lot bringing up the ball and becoming more a play-maker with Baron at times playing the two guard. But really I don't see any of em becoming legit point guards, they all have the scorers mentality and have a great ability of creating their own shot (not so much Gibson).


For overall, taking account future and current play, I'd rank em like....

1. Monta Ellis
2. Leandro Barbosa
3. Ben Gordon
4. Daniel Gibson (I really like him, just don't think he's better than the aforementioned three).

It's pretty close though, between those three.
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Post#4 » by tsherkin » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:19 pm

There should be a "best shooter" category just so Gibson doesn't feel so left out... :D
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Post#5 » by penbeast0 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:40 pm

I'd take Barbosa over Ellis for both best now and most likely to be a playmaker/ballhandler. Ellis for defense; possibly also for best in three years but only if he continues to improve, otherwise Barbosa there too. Gordon is a pure scorer, I don't see him being any different the rest of his career. Boobie is a 3 point specialist.
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Post#6 » by Ballings7 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:46 pm

Monta Ellis. Above-average defender. Best offensive player. Best athlete.

2. Ben Gordon
3. Leandro Barbosa/Daniel Gibson

With Barbosa and Gibson it depends what you need/prefer, IMO. Because both are completely different kinds of small complementary guards. Each very effective in what they do.

Gibson's a defender, hustler, and somewhat above-average offensive player. Gibson can drive effectively, can shoot out to three well, and has some PG skills, with more experience there. A shoot-first combo-type guard.

Barbosa's not really a point guard at all, and probably won't be one unless he's on a different team with the starting spot, or is given the starting spot after Nash is gone. Combined with working on his game, of course. Barbosa's an undersized off-guard scorer, who can handle the ball and pass to a certain extent. Which is limited and average, respectively.

Barbosa fits better on a fast-paced team like the Suns/Warriors/Nuggets, and that's not my preference for a team to have or to support, and doesn't apply to the consensus of teams in the NBA.

Out of the two, I'd take Gibson because he does more than just score, and is the more clutch, tough, and energetic player. Gibson's the better rebounder, as well. Neither have significant play-making skills, but just between the two, Gibson is better, from what I've gathered. Also, in general, Gibson can slot in better as a starter because he brings more to the table. Regardless of what type of team Barbosa starts on, which guard position he'd start at, defensively with Barbosa you're at a disadvantage. Aside from going for steals and some blocks here and there. Defensively, with Gibson at SG you're at less of a disadvantage, and at PG you're competitive, good, and can rely on him.
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Post#7 » by tsherkin » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:50 pm

penbeast0 wrote:I'd take Barbosa over Ellis for both best now and most likely to be a playmaker/ballhandler. Ellis for defense; possibly also for best in three years but only if he continues to improve, otherwise Barbosa there too. Gordon is a pure scorer, I don't see him being any different the rest of his career. Boobie is a 3 point specialist.


Barbosa isn't a terribly good playmaker; he's there for instant offense in transition and high-percentage three-point shooting.
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Re: Rank These Small (6'3" & Under) SG 

Post#8 » by SpaceJam » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:58 pm

Leandro Barbosa
Monta Ellis
Daniel Gibson
Ben Gordon


In any or all of these categories yo choose...

1. Best overall player right now BG
2. Best overall player 3 years from now Barbosa
3. Best pure scorer BG
4. Most explosive Barbosa/Ellis
5. Best playmaker/ballhandler Barbosa
6. Best defender BG
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Post#9 » by Ballings7 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:22 pm

SpaceJam wrote:4. Most explosive Barbosa/Ellis


Barbosa's definitely far off from the others as a leaper and finisher at the basket (all varying, but each of the others are better than Barbosa - Ellis the best).

Barbosa's not better than ordinary in either area, also lacking the body control, and doesn't have much upper body strength. And, actually Barbosa has a tendency to miss shots at the basket because of these lesser areas, and when there is resistance at the basket. He's just not a solid finisher and good off the ground athlete. Definitely not a poor finisher, but not a lot better than that, or at the level of the other players included here.

This is what I've learned over the years from watching Barbosa, and from various people that have been around the game/Suns, more than I have, pointing things out.

Scoring ability and quickness? Yes, Barbosa's explosive.

tsherkin wrote:Barbosa isn't a terribly good playmaker; he's there for instant offense in transition and high-percentage three-point shooting.


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Post#10 » by xAIRNESSx » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:22 pm

1. Best overall player right now Barbosa
2. Best overall player 3 years from now Ellis
3. Best pure scorer Ellis
4. Most explosive Ellis
5. Best playmaker/ballhandler Barbosa
6. Best defender Barbosa
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Post#11 » by Ballings7 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:32 pm

I don't see how Barbosa is the best defensive player and the best play-maker/ball-handler, and best overall player?

Everyone else is better than him in the first two areas (again, varying in how much, but better), and his game hasn't displayed he's a versatile, overall player. Gambling for steals doesn't make you an adequate defender, it makes you effective when you get those steals, which generally, most of the time is off the ball. Barbosa also gets blocks sometimes because of his long-arms, but it's not like West/Wade/Kidd in getting them.
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Post#12 » by some_rand » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:12 pm

monta is not better than barbosa
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Post#13 » by MagicFan3 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:16 pm

1. Best overall player right now - Ellis
2. Best overall player 3 years from now - Gordon
3. Best pure scorer - Ellis
4. Most explosive - Ellis
5. Best playmaker/ballhandler - Barbosa
6. Best defender - Gordon

Which one would you most like on your team (and why?)

Gordon or Ellis, because the Magic desperately need a SG, and they would fill that role and more.

Which one (if any) do you think could eventually become an above average full-time PG, if he had to do so? Why??

Barbosa, because he's the closest to a true PG in that group.
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Post#14 » by Patterns » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:23 pm

some_rand wrote:monta is not better than barbosa

Monta is better than Barbosa. You're in the East so you rarely get to see the Warriors play if at all. I live in the Bay Area and I see every Warriors game and I am a Lakers fan so I see plenty of Suns games.

Ellis is better than Barbosa right now.

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