Can a team of rookies win it all?

Storm Surge · Post #1 » by **Storm Surge** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:29 pm

PG - Paul
SG - Wade
SF - LeBron
PF - Bosh
C - Howard

Bench
Durant
Deron
David Lee
Bynum
Gay
Roy

NO COACH/ASS. COACHES JUST THE TEAM PLAYING BY ITSELF

Coming in as rookies do you thing they could do it

FunnyAwesomeGuy · Post #2 » by **FunnyAwesomeGuy** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:38 pm

Those aren't all rookies. The problem is just that. You'd have to get all people from 1 draft class. So 03 would have a chance perhaps, 08 might. But likely, no. They just won't have it all together yet.

Storm Surge · Post #3 » by **Storm Surge** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:44 pm

it's not realistic it's just if this happened.

J~Rush · Post #4 » by **J~Rush** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:17 pm

Post #5 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:30 pm

No, rookies make rookie mistakes and that a few critical plays can win/lose a playoff series.

For example, I'd take the current Spurs over the 03 class as rookies even though the 03 rooks are clearly more talented.

Oberto/Elson
Duncan/Horry
Bowen/Finley
Ginobili/Barry
Parker/Vaughn

vs.

Kaman/Darko
Bosh/West
LeBron/Carmelo/Howard
Wade/Barbosa
Ford/Hinrich/Mo Williams

hermes · Post #6 » by **hermes** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:54 pm

no rooks couldn't win it all
even if you assembled a team like that, not all rookies

a-rod · Post #7 » by **a-rod** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:05 am

rookies =no experience, so no i don't think so but its impossible.[/b]

jeremy1215 · Post #8 » by **jeremy1215** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:31 am

Anythings possible, but some things are much more likely than others. This isn't very likely.

bringinhinkie · Post #9 » by **bringinhinkie** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:06 am

hermes wrote:no rooks couldn't win it all
even if you assembled a team like that, not all rookies

all-time?

magic
jordan
bird
pettit
chamberlain

robertson
kareem
duncan
shaq
barry
monroe
ewing
etcetcetc

even as rookies a team like that would absolutely dominate, then again not realistic at all but you said "no rooks could win it all"

edit: obviously these guys werent rooks the same time, then again the op's list was guys from diff drafts too

gonnadunkonU · Post #10 » by **gonnadunkonU** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:53 pm

They're talented enough to do it but their lack of experience would kill them. They'd be lucky to make the playoffs imo.

Last Guardian · Post #11 » by **Last Guardian** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:31 pm

2004.....

C - Dwight Howard/Andris Biedrins
PF- Al Jefferson/Emeka Okafor
SF - Josh Smith/Luol Deng/Josh Childress
SG - Andre Iguodala/Kevin Martin/Ben Gordon
PG - Devin Harris/Shaun Livingston

Probably not but might have a chance. Dominant defense and rebounding and certainly overwhelmingly athletic.

J~Rush · Post #12 » by **J~Rush** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:05 am

Solid Snake wrote:2004.....

C - Dwight Howard/Andris Biedrins
PF- Al Jefferson/Emeka Okafor
SF - Josh Smith/Luol Deng/Josh Childress
SG - Andre Iguodala/Kevin Martin/Ben Gordon
PG - Devin Harris/Shaun Livingston

Probably not but might have a chance. Dominant defense and rebounding and certainly overwhelmingly athletic.

That team isn't even that dominant today.

Post #13 » by **Doctor MJ** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:50 am

I'm not even going to say it's impossible, but I think in general rookies really do have issues with the inner workings of a team. If you look at +/- stats over the years you'll see rookies with big box score stats consistently having mundane +/- numbers.

I think that it's very difficult to win a title even with a phenomenally talented player as a star, and I think it would be far more difficult than that with a bunch of other rookies who've been stars their whole life playing as role players for the first time.

Last Guardian · Post #14 » by **Last Guardian** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:01 am

J~Rush wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That team isn't even that dominant today.

lol, today?

Howard is one of the best Centers in the league today averaging 22/15. His front court mate Al Jefferson is averaging 20/12. Josh Smith gets 18/8/4/2/3. Iggy gets 19/5/5. Off the bench with Deng, Gordon, Martin, Okafor, Biedrins?

And you don't think a team like that would dominate TODAY. It would probably be the best rebounding team in history and pretty insane defensively. You're crazy.

Post #15 » by **Doctor MJ** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:07 am

Solid Snake wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

lol, today?

Howard is one of the best Centers in the league today averaging 22/15. His front court mate Al Jefferson is averaging 20/12. Josh Smith gets 18/8/4/2/3. Iggy gets 19/5/5. Off the bench with Deng, Gordon, Martin, Okafor, Biedrins?

And you don't think a team like that would dominate TODAY. It would probably be the best rebounding team in history and pretty insane defensively. You're crazy.

Hmm. I think you're not factoring how much players sacrifice when they act as role players on a team, and how much diminishing returns you get with multiple players that have the same skill set. The team would be good, but for example, if you think Howard and Jefferson would both maintain anything close to their current stat levels you're mistaken.

delux55 · Post #16 » by **delux55** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:22 am

^^^^^

They wouldn't maintain the same stats but no team is touching that squad. Spurs, Suns, Mavs, whoever that would be hands down the best team in the NBA

Post #17 » by **Doctor MJ** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:19 am

delux55 wrote:^^^^^

They wouldn't maintain the same stats but no team is touching that squad. Spurs, Suns, Mavs, whoever that would be hands down the best team in the NBA

Hmm alright folks, how do y'all see the team working?

Let me give an example to warm us up. Jefferson is an offensive big man, whose much worse on offense than Howard. What do you do with him with Howard on the court? Me? I bench Jefferson and start Okafor, no doubt about it. Two great defensive big men is known as twin towers, two great offensive big men? Well have you seen what Curry and Randolph look like now that they're on the floor together? 2 great offensive big men doesn't make it twice as easy to get the ball to 1 of them by the rim, in fact it can clog the paint more so. The term "diminishing returns" has never been more apt.

Now, maybe you're saying "Okay fine, put Okafor in the starting lineup instead of Jefferson, you yourself said that would be good.", yeah but if you didn't know to do that, consider what other problems you haven't thought of yet. Anyone else notice that of all the players Solid Snake mentioned not one of them is a distributor? Maybe the world's best team can be constructed from this group of players, but it is by no means obvious just from their stats.

Hendrix · Post #18 » by **Hendrix** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:08 pm

If a team managed to somehow get like all the picks in the lottery I think so.

PG-Kirk Hinrich-Tj Ford
SG-Dwayne Wade-Carmel Anthony
SF-Lebron James-Carmelo Anthony
PF Chris Bosh-David West
C-Chris Kamen-David West

In there rookie season was probably good enough offensivly, dunno about defensivly.

eyejayem · Post #19 » by **eyejayem** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:03 pm

Only if coached by Coach K or Bobby Knight. lol.

bringinhinkie · Post #20 » by **bringinhinkie** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:29 am

stockton
jordan
campbell
barkley
hakeem

even as rookies, that starting lineup would sh*t on any team in the nba